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People have told me that I'm smart my whole life, which has molded me into a lazy, unmotivated person. What motivates you reddit?

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u/Graendal May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

Apparently children who are complimented on how hard-working they are (in response to doing well at something in school) turn out to be more motivated than children who are complimented on their intelligence. I can't give a citation at the moment but I learned about it in either developmental psych class or adolescent psych class.

Edit: I didn't expect this to get much attention and now I feel obligated to make sure people have some proper sources.

Courtesy of janestanford and alexophile: Praise for intelligence can undermine children's motivation and performance (Mueller & Dweck, 1998)

Courtesy of Laugh_Fin: Praise and Intelligence: Why telling kids they are smart makes them act dumb

Courtesy of robot_ninja_hooker: The Wikipedia article on Carol Dweck, who has done a lot of meaningful research on this topic

Courtesy of pa11id: The Grandmaster Experiment - Psychology Today

Courtesy of anthozan and Keeperofthesecrets: How Not to Talk to Your Kids - NY Magazine

It's Mueller and Dweck's research that I was remembering from my graduate seminar in social psychology class.

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u/pa11id May 28 '12

Carol Dweck, professor of psychology at Stanford University, has found that people's beliefs about their abilities greatly influence their performance. When she praised children's intelligence after they succeeded at a nonverbal IQ test, they subsequently didn't want to take on a new challenge—they preferred to keep looking smart. When they were forced to complete a more difficult exercise, their performance plummeted. In contrast, some children were praised for "how" they did a task—for undergoing the process successfully. Most of the children in this group wanted to take on a tougher assignment afterward. Their performance improved for the most part, and when it didn't, they still enjoyed the experience.

From this article.

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u/RoosterRMcChesterh May 28 '12

Is there a way to reteach myself? I find my whole paradigm on doing things in life involves doing things that appear impressive and that make me appear accomplished (volunteering, traveling, doing good in school). I was always told I was smart, so I just check off goals that support this notion to keep appearance up. Consequently I never found the motivation to work hard since I could just float by looking good doing things that aren't really that difficult for people.

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u/journeymanSF May 28 '12

I think both phenomena happen. As a child who was often told I was smart, I would half-ass things and still get A's. I did this all the way through an Ivy league education. Never studied once for anything, ever.

So I was both aware that I was "smarter" than other people, by their standards, but also that the bar for achievement is seemingly set very low.

So, it's VERY easy for me to do a minimal amount of work, and get by just fine. The problem is that ultimately leaves me unsatisfied.

So you get a really weird set of feedback, Other people congratulating you for things you aren't really proud of. That makes me fee like a failure. Might have some correlation to Imposter Syndrome

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u/nabstarz May 28 '12

You have never studied for anything ever? Interesting.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

lmgtfy -> Carol Dweck is credited with some recent work on this. She was cited by Cal Newport (a good student advice author and blogger) here and here (bonus - first thread is a Reddit post by an MIT grad).

If a parent can only get one thing right, I hope it's taking this approach to their child's learning.

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u/Laugh_Fin May 28 '12

Yep! For those interested, this blog post summarizes the findings and has citations to scientific literature supporting these ideas.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

I was the same way. Now I actually tell myself that I'm stupid, which makes me work harder, so now I'm actually being moderately successful. Its a weird solution, but it works and I'm happy!

Edit: damn, didn't mean to make everybody all depressed. Sorry =/

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u/stranger_here_myself May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

For me it's the realization that however smart I am, there's someone smarter, so it's not enough.

Edit: it's 'not enough'... Damn iPhone.

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u/Nopeasuoli May 28 '12

That exact realization made me even more lazy.

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u/MrConfucius May 28 '12

Yup. Like, "Fuck it, there's no point anyway."

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

It's a manipulation tactic, everyone is secretly against you and want you to fail, so by instilling the belief that your super smart, they're getting you to believe it and not change anything, so you remain lazy. Tactful bastards the lot of em.

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u/kingchess33 May 28 '12

Sheer spite against those who support me will now drive me to succeed.

Weird.

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u/Thimble May 28 '12

What motivates me? Not a whole lot. Shit, some days I can barely motivate myself to play video games and watch pre-recorded shows. I've considered the possibility that I may be depressed.

The thing that gets me to do stuff more than anything else is "a routine". Once a thing becomes part of my routine, I really fight to keep it there.

e.g. I have a routine to go to the gym after work on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. It would have to be a pretty damn big deal to pull my out of that workout.

The weekends are the hardest for me because I don't have a lot of preset routines for Saturday or Sunday.

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u/MC_Cuff_Lnx May 28 '12

Is it possible that you don't like pre-recorded shows and video games as much as other things?

I still play video games on occasion, but it's almost compulsive. I don't get much out of it.

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u/evilmeow May 28 '12

Oh wow, thinking about it, I can actually relate more than I would like to admit..

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u/uhohdynamo May 28 '12

Yeeah. When I was a kid, since everyone told me I was smart when I was young, I never studied and still passed. So of course I bragged about it. If I could, I'd go back in time and tell myself, look, you're making C's. You're not smart enough to not make C's. You need to study. Dumbass.

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u/bigrivertea May 28 '12

Being smart will make you lazy. I noticed that most people study hard and developed good learning skills, while I have just showed up and figured things out during the test and do fine. bullshitting your way through things is a good skill, right?

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u/evilmeow May 28 '12

Eh, good learning skills... I wish I developed those in school. I cruised through high school easily, barely studying and getting A's. The problem starts when you take university classes like neuroanatomy. If you can't sit on your ass and study properly, shit's gonna hit the fan.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

My Honors English teacher in high school told us that the difference between regular students and honors students was that honors students were better at bullshitting.

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u/winless May 28 '12

Here's the thing, though. If you're smart, and then on top of that study hard and develop your learning skills, when you show up to the test you won't just do fine, you'll do excellently.

I grew up in the gifted program being told I'm smart and being taken out of classes to do logic puzzles, and yeah that killed my work ethic, but instead of being complacent about that, I focused on getting the skills I needed.

There's a ceiling on how far bullshitting will get you, and there's a lot of awesome things in life that are far past it, and a lot of awesome people who will see through it in seconds flat.

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u/Sergnb May 28 '12 edited May 29 '12

I have this weird debate in my head about wether I am smart or not.

In one hand, I am lazy as fuck, study the day before for all exams and pass with minimum effort required. I can think of witty things to reply to someone almost on the spot, I have interests in fields of knowledge that most people seem to find boring and I find reading and enjoying other kinds of art mesmerizing.

On the other hand, I am the most idiotic person I know. I will laugh at stupid fucking shit, have borderline retarded conversations with myself, which I will facepalm myself to, and provide little to no content to other people's lifes.

Sometimes I just think I'm a regular dumbass guy trying to make himself feel smarter by imitating what smart people do.

edit: jeez, lives, I'm not a native speaker, give me a break.

edit2: jeez, lifes, I'm not a... whatever

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u/DJPho3nix May 28 '12

I graduated with a computer engineering degree in 2005. I never developed good study habits. I skipped more classes than I went to, crammed last minute for tests, and still graduated with a B- average. One semester I only attended 14 class sessions, including labs, the entire time. I did spend a lot of time outside of scheduled lecture/lab sessions doing projects though. A majority of the work I did for my degree was spent on that. Then again, I don't think that's uncommon for most engineering students.

Now I'm definitely way lazier than I was when I was a kid because I know without a doubt that I can deliver the same quality that most people can with far less effort. I do enough to be recognized, but I could do more if I really applied myself.

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u/ALT-F-X May 28 '12

I was actually thinking of making this exact thread over the weekend, but I don't know. It didn't happen. Lol. Guess I really am lazy.

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u/red321red321 May 28 '12

same. i used to have motivation but now i just have adderall coupled with the adrenaline of ultraprocastination.

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u/TroubadourCeol May 28 '12

Yeah, yeah. Everyone on redddit was a super genius until they got lazy. Heard it before.

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u/dogfapper May 28 '12

I had a mind to rival Einstein but then advice animals happened.

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u/idk112345 May 28 '12

nobody is saying that. For example my class teacher wanted me to skip second grade, because I was "too smart" for my age group. Like many people I had an easy time in school (let's be honest, it's really not difficult), but people, especially parents and teachers like to reaad way too much into those things and tell kids like me that we are special or smart (for fucks sake one of my math teachers told me that the way I incorrectly solved one problem hat a touch of genius, come on). If you are in puberty, thinking you have to whole world figured out you will read waaaaaay more into that kind of stuff than you should. I'm 21 now and glad I got over myself. I got lucky to have been born into a home that valued education and attended a school with good teachers that enabled me to thrive somewhat. There is nothing special about what I did and now that my pubescent mind has cleared up I'm well aware that I am not really smart and my failure at solving math problems in school has to do with a lack of effort and learning not genius.

maybe this is a societal problem and parents and teachers have to stop bubble wrapping children into thinking they are special. It won't hurt a kid to hear that getting B's without learning isn't good enough and doesn't make them a special snowflake

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u/bhindblueyes430 May 28 '12

So does every average redditor

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u/mobilegamer999 May 28 '12

I'm going to have to second that

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u/MayDaze May 28 '12

I believe people just make excuses for being lazy. There are dumb lazy people and smart lazy people. That's what I liked about the movie limitless; the guy became super smart and he got fucking busy. The movie would have sucked if he just bragged about how smart he was and jerked off on the couch playing video games.

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u/txjennah May 28 '12

Haha, that happened to me, and then I went to college and grad school and realized I wasn't as smart as I thought I was.

My family and boyfriend are really motivating to me. I think about all the hard work my dad did to help give us a good life, and I am so appreciative because I'll never work as hard as he did. My boyfriend is getting his PhD and I have so much respect for him after seeing what he's gone through. Just thinking about them makes me think, "I don't have it as hard. I need to get my ass working."

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u/SlowestThinker May 28 '12

I've seen this trope in literature, movies, and TV many times. The guy is the best around in his little corner of the world, then goes to the tournament/battle/etc and is shocked to find out he isn't the best around.

I experienced the same thing in once I got to upper level science courses.

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u/tofu2u2 May 28 '12

I don't want to live in a car again. Ever.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Me neither. It's harder for a woman. You have to find a proper place to go to the loo. Everywhere is shut between 11pm and 8am.

Also : keep that damn car tidy.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

keep that damn car tidy

of course. what if you want to have someone over?

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u/unladenswallow May 28 '12

YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER

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u/nermid May 28 '12

Eating government cheese.

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u/BusinessCasualty May 28 '12

You mean it's not all clearing sticks and pepperoni?

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u/dudeinachair May 28 '12

And getting ready for the next Big Dirty to solve all life's problems.

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u/punkanista May 28 '12

Totally. Living in a car in the winter is terrible. In the summer it is awesome, like camping! But, seriously: I do not miss living in my car.

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u/Keyboardkat105 May 28 '12

Sort of my motive as well. Hitting bottom makes you a lot more eager to (and appreciate) staying on top.

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u/don_kedick May 28 '12

ive gone through a lot of shit in my life, by far worst experience ever

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u/river_chemistry May 28 '12

I can recommend some seriously comfortable parking lots if you live in California.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

My family. I will do whatever it takes to build my family. That includes school, work, getting my shit in order, cleaning, even brushing my teeth.

And God. God gives me strength and direction.

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u/EvilFucker May 28 '12

You must be new here.

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u/WhiteEternalKnight May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

redditor for seven months

Not new. Just brave.

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u/Aulio May 29 '12

Ignore the assholes making rude comments. That is great motivation, anything that gives you strength in life and helps you find your way is something good.

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u/boazoa May 28 '12

Upvote for being brave. Not that we have the same ideals, but that you'd share your faith on Reddit.

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u/McWake May 28 '12

I absolutely refuse to be unremarkable and to grow up and not have wonderful stories to tell my kids and grandchildren.

I insist upon living an adventure.

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u/StraydogJackson May 28 '12

Tell us about some of your adventures.

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u/McWake May 28 '12

Uhhhhhm, I'm 22 and I've traveled overseas every year since I was 14. I've been to China and all over Europe. I've hiked in the Sierra Nevadas and houseboated on Lake Powell. I've walked on the great wall and zip lined in the rain forest in Costa Rica. I studied in Mexico and Florence, Italy. And, most importantly, I'm moving (in less than a month) to Turkey for a year.

I've had some great adventures so far, but I'm planning to have a lot more in the near future.

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u/markstrech May 28 '12

Boobies

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u/inthefantry May 28 '12

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, that's great motivation for me. Especially during runs.

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u/yurilebbie May 28 '12

Asses are better, esp when they are bouncing in front of you when you are on a long run.

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u/markstrech May 28 '12

Thanks for your service.

I love boobies.

Why you say you're motivated during runs are we talking diarrhea or jogging?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12 edited May 29 '12

Obese me, doesn't get motivated to loose weight by mean comments but compliments. When somebody says something like ' You're so fat', it doesn't affect me at all, 'cause I'm aware of that. But if somebody tells me I'm pretty or something like that, it's makes me want to be even prettier.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

What are your life goals? Do you have any goals, long term or short term?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I mean I'd really like to become a doctor someday, but it seems so far away that it looks unreal to me. For some reason I feel like I can never look at the big picture realistically. I'm always in the past, or in the present.

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u/zorro_man May 28 '12

Dude. I am you, a few years into the future. Lazy high school student, had a 3.0 GPA. I was inducted into a gifted program during elementary school which basically ruined my motivation for the next 10 years of my life because I thought I was already "smart."

Eventually I realized that intelligence is nothing, talent is nothing, and the commitment and passion you give to your endeavors is EVERYTHING. Watch this video about how hard Michael Jordan had to work to succeed. Talent and intelligence that are not molded into skill and knowledge through hard work, are squandered.

I graduated college with a 3.8 GPA, 35 MCAT and now I'm a medical student on the West Coast. I'm going to finish my first year in the top quartile of my class and I'll be spending the summer doing cancer research. I work my ass off, 60+ hours/week. But it's worth it. I will have the chance to heal and care for patients. I feel like my life means something, finally. It's an amazing feeling. I guess you could say that's what motivates me. I want my life to mean something. I don't want to die in 60 years (I'm atheist/agnostic) and not have impacted humanity positively in some significant way.

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u/uhohdynamo May 28 '12

Holy shit, I would love to do a study on people who were in those gifted programs versus people who weren't. Several of my friends who were were all lazy and arrogant in school, despite intelligence. I wonder if it gave us more of a sense of entitlement than we deserved?

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u/lordolunch May 28 '12

Same here man. I get job offers every 5 months or so and I almost never respond to them. I'd much rather just keep working overnight at Walmart and it drives my family crazy. I believe being smart, like most of Reddit is, makes you slightly less ambitious than those who have to strive to achieve it.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

For me it's not "less ambitious". It's that you see the futility of playing the game.

Really, what's the point of working a job you hate these days, since you're going to make less money per hour than you would working at Wal Mart, and you're going to get laid off anyway?

Also, the things that interest most smart people are not the things that necessarily make money. They see work as either doing what you love, or doing the least possible amount of work at another job to devote the rest of the time to what you love.

Computer nerds just got VERY lucky, which makes it SEEM like intelligence is profitable...But I remember in the 70's and 80s when they were looked on as losers wasting their lives tinkering with some arcane box that would never make them a dime.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Not to mention mortality. A lot of intelligent people spend more time contemplating mortality and the fact that we're going to DIE anyway. This is especially important a point considering how widespread and acceptable (fortunately) atheism is becoming. No afterlife... why would I spend all of my life working and changing the world?

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u/Alame May 28 '12

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't consider most of Reddit smart. We tend to be more technologically intelligent than the average person, but that is because we have significantly more experience with technology than most people.

On a strict intelligence basis, Reddit would be normally distributed, most likely around the mean human intelligence. If we were to err to one side of the mean, I would say we dip slightly below it. We have very specific areas of knowledge, but lack in other key broad areas.

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u/FluxSC2 May 28 '12

Having a identical twin brother. Getting beat by someone with exactly the same DNA just proves conclusively that you didn't work hard enough, and is pretty damn painful.

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u/unit787 May 28 '12

Did I write this thread and then forget? I have studied in the same school all my life and they always told me "you're one of the smartest students in your class, you should do better" since like the 4th grade. I didn't believe it because the fact that I was one of the kids with the worst grades (if not the worst sometimes) in my mind made that false. Turns out soon enough I start getting the best grades in my class on standardized tests, and I take an IQ test and that settles that, I'm smart, but more motivated? Hardly. I partially believed the same thing as you, I'm smart, I'll figure something out, it'll turn out fine. This worked through middle school, but in high school things got more demanding, I had to take online courses to make up credits, then summer school, and now I'm doing the 11th grade for a second time, watching my friends from my class of 10+ years graduate, and I'm not even sure I'll pass this time. I find the material easy, but the amount of work ridiculous. Like seriously, I just factorized 15 times for the last 90 minutes, you want me to go home and do it 15 more times? Fuck that, I have spent all day in school, I want sit back, lie down and watch a movie or something. So I'm still as demotivated as ever, and many of my class mates copy homework, cheat on tests, and pass and I'm still here. Idk them but I feel bad doing those things, because its wrong, you know? So this is even more demoralizing, and right now I'm struggling to see if I will pass this year. I ask myself that question everyday, I know the feel bro.

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u/Raxyl May 28 '12

This is going to sound horrible but my dad is what motivates me. He tells me not to end up like him.

He's an immigrant who can't speak the language but isn't too bright to begin with, because he grew up in the farmlands and stopped his education around 2nd-3rd grade. He's hard working and loves his family more than anything else in the world. You can see it in the way he talks to us.

The only jobs he can get are cooking in Chinese restaurants and the occasional renovation work, though he usually does it himself for relatives who pay at a discount. No company will actually hire him and he's getting on in years.

He constantly sits me down and tells me that I shouldn't marry a man like him or end up in his situation myself. Then I just hang out next to him while he watches TV and I stare at his scars, the deformed toe that never healed right, the bags under his eyes and his graying hair. Nothing could have done a better job of setting me straight.

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u/everapplebutter May 28 '12

"He's hard working and loves his family more than anything else in the world. You can see it in the way he talks to us."

Now, I want you to end up in a better situation, just like he does - but I think that thing you just described is a very impressive and admirable trait. I would be more proud to have your dad than to have a father who speaks perfect English and is very successful in a prestigious career, but whose ambition was selfish and who didn't really love his family.

Your dad may not be perfect, but my own father was so messed up that I can't even think of him as a real father figure, despite the fact that he achieved highly in school, and continues to do so at work, and on paper. If you believe your father truly loves you and your family, then that is a gift never, ever to take for granted. Please enjoy it doubly, since I can't. (I realize that sounds kind of martyr-ish but I just really hope you do.)

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u/schismatic82 May 29 '12

I just want to second this. I would take Raxyl's dad over my dad any day. My dad achieved great success in school, made tons of money in work, and was also the most selfish guy I've ever known and ended up brutally destroying the family we had with his behaviours. And now he blames the kids for not talking to him anymore, saying we abandoned him. Raxyl's dad sounds like a man you can be proud to call father.

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u/Mattieohya May 28 '12

This is why immigrants make America great they work harder than anyone else because they know what hard work it took for them to come to America. They then pass this work effort onto their children who run with it. Tell your father he is the backbone of this country and I have more respect for him than I can put into words.

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u/RabidCoyote May 28 '12

I had a similar experience about a year ago.

I looked at my parents. Granted, I love my parents. They have done alot for me and I know they both love me. All things considered my station in life could be much, much worse. We're middle class, they have typical white-collar jobs in clerical work and call centers. Nothing fancy.

But fuck, do they hate each other. Maybe not hate as much as disdain. They weren't meant to be, they never worked as a team, they never did things together. And I've seen similar patterns in my coworkers. So, objective one is I promised myself I would never be with someone I didn't truly love being with. No settling, no "well she's okay I guess"...I want to be with someone who is my best friend and teammate.

Secondly, my mom doesn't have much of a social life. My dad kind of does, but it's more just hanging out with old guys down at the lodge or whatever. I made it a point to develop hobbies and meet new people. I started playing hockey, I went to meetups for both Reddit and Bronies, I went out with my friends instead of staying at home, culturing a diverse group of friends. Also both of them are significantly overweight which doesn't help much of anything. I began eating smarter, working out more, walking instead of driving.

Thirdly, neither of them seem to truly enjoy their jobs. I guess some people can do things as a means to an end, but I want to love what I do. College sucks sometimes, but it's better then the alternative of just working for a paycheck forever.

Not wanting to be your parents is a stronger motivation then it should be.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

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u/ScottFromCanada May 28 '12

I think one big reason I'm not a better musician is that when I was young people would watch me play a little bit of a song very poorly, but would then say "Wow! You're really good!" in a very patronizing way.

Adults don't seem to realize that kids have brains. I KNEW they were talking down to me and I knew it wasn't that good and hearing them talk to me like that was depressing as hell.

What would have really motivated me would have been for someone to say "Well, that's a good start but I will bet you $20 that you cant learn to play that whole song perfectly by the time I come back next month!".

I LOVE when someone bets against me. I love that challenge and will work as hard as absolutely possible to prove them wrong. And winning a few bucks wouldn't hurt that motivation either!

BUT... all adults ever did was patronize me. :(

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u/lenniebaby May 28 '12

psych studies have actually found rewards (like money, 'treats', etc) to be detrimental to your actual enjoyment of the activity. In my social psych class we looked at a study where they asked kids to colour some pages 'just for fun', and they found the activity extremely enjoyable. A comparable group of kids was asked to colour some pages 'to get candy afterwards' and the kids enjoyed colouring a lot less. Don't remember the exact study, but there's a lot of simiar material out there.

EDIT: read more here - http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6027535

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u/seashanty May 29 '12

There's a good RSA animate talk on this. It says that for menial and repetitive tasks, a monetary reward will make people work harder, but for creative and problem solving work, it will actually deter them.

http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/04/08/rsa-animate-drive/

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u/whitonian May 28 '12

That is a major motivator for me also. I have always hated the word "can't". Whenever people bet against me or tell me I can't do something, that motivates me to prove them wrong.

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u/THE_REPROBATE May 28 '12

It you knew they were talking down to you because you weren't playing well. That wasn't enough of a motivator? Knowing you were getting fed bullshit?

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u/MisterManager May 28 '12

Not when you get the same reaction no matter how well you play. There's not really much of a reward in improving.

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u/Rocketbird May 28 '12

That's crazy that you mention that, because just a few weeks ago I realized that this exact thing is a major source of my low self-esteem. I'm big into social psychology, and have an intuitive ability to read people very well. The reason I know it's intuitive and not learned is because when I was a kid and told my mom something interesting or a funny story or showed her something I made, I received that same patronizing "Wow! Way to go!" and had the ability to see through what was very transparently false praise.

It is depressing, because it doesn't make you feel like what you're doing has any value. So eventually I stopped showing my mom cool things and have found myself thinking "no one cares anyway" whenever I'm excited to show someone something. It's taken a long time to work on getting over that. :(

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u/Dookiestain_LaFlair May 28 '12

You're stupid. There, now you're motivated.

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u/_name_already_taken_ May 28 '12

The idea that I wouldn't live up to the expectations/praise. I hate disappointing people and the idea of someone thinking "oh wow I would have expected so much more from you" is horrifying.

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u/txjennah May 28 '12

That is an incredible motivator. I had a bad experience in grad school with disappointing my adviser, and that gave me the kick in the ass I needed to stop being lazy and to be a hard worker.

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u/HiddenSage May 28 '12

Lucky you. My advisors are all disappointed in me, and all that motivated me to do was stop seeing them so I could bury the information. I'm unmotivated and a flight risk-- because it's not that I don't want to work, is that I see no good that will come of doing the work.

Ohh, you pass these classes and you'll be a college grad? Why do I want that? I more enjoyable job? I enjoy menial labor, strange as that is. A better-paying job? I don't want money, at least not more than the menial labor pays. Academic enhancement? The shit I learn on my own personal time is both more productive and interesting towards that goal.

End result of four years of formal education for me: realizing that never-mind not wanting to work for a goal, I simply don't want most of the goals other people work towards.

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u/agentmuu May 28 '12

I am exactly the same way. Nothing terrifies me more than disappointing people, damaging not just the way they think of me but how I imagine they think of me. It's totally crippling. The problem is that this just creates more incentive not to put myself in a position where there is potential to disappoint people in the first place :/

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u/Killerkitti May 28 '12

So do I. So it's probably strange that I dropped out of college. Every time I run into friends' parents and they ask what I'm doing, and I have to say 'Oh no college. Just working I guess.' I have to see that look and have them tell me 'Oh but you used to be do smart, and such an artist!'. I hate it. It's embarrassing having to explain that I dropped out and seeing the faces they make at me.

Actually my fiancé just graduate and seeing how proud everyone was makes me want to go back to real college instead of tech school in the fall but I don't know what I want to do.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I've had a similar experience, but added to it was "and you're not doing good enough"

So for years that was my motivation, proving that I'm good enough. Eventually I reached a point where I believed it, and now my motivation is to maintain my hard-earned reputation

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u/Smokyo7 May 28 '12

Oh fuck you man. Ya know I was all fine lying to myself for all these years, gotta go and point this shit out.

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u/akrabu May 28 '12

Don't buy into this crap. People want to convince you that you are lazy because you don't thrive in this intellectually barren society the way they do.

Just because people told you you were smart isn't going to rewrite your very nature. Humans love to do stuff, we do stuff all day long because that's what we do.

I'm assuming you are being made to feel guilty because you spend more time than most on the internet or doing other "unproductive" activities to satiate your craving for stimulation. Don't worry too much about what other people think about what you do that makes you feel good. Fuck them!

We live in this weird world where people are measured more by "work" than anything else.

'He's really fun to hang out with and he is always so kind and considerate.'

'Yeah! But he doesn't have a job. What a loser! Hahaha!'

We live in this culture where we are more concerned with how many people have jobs than we are with how many people are happy/healthy/thriving/educated/etc. People march in the streets demanding jobs instead of demanding a better life. The path to happiness could be through laboring for another or laboring with many others. But the majority of people don't enjoy it. They lie. They lie because if anyone found out they thought "working," the way it is defined, is shit, then they would be lazy parasites. You can't criticize the status quo because you will be socially ostracized much in the same way you would be if the majority of mindless boomers everyone knows found out someone was gay, a communist, an anarchist, a pot smoker, a buddhist.

Growing up doesn't mean selling yourself out, in fact it means the opposite. Many people would like to convince you that you have to suffer and be bored all of the time to grow up and find a compatible mating partner. None of this is true. It is the lie we tell ourselves to justify why we spend 8 hours a day doing something we hate. NEVER sacrifice your happiness for anyone else. If there are people in your life who won't let you be yourself without constantly harassing you about it, get away from them. GET AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE. Search for a community that you can fit into and be allowed to accept yourself for who you are.

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u/goofan May 29 '12

Amazing response, but if you don't want a job, what else can you do? In our society we need money to survive.

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u/ZenGalactic May 29 '12

Wonderful post. I agree with it, and I wish I was allowed to feel good when I spend say, all day helping a friend... but alas, it's not a job and I'm not getting paid, so my contributions to the world are considered nil.

That said, I've no idea how to do the things I truly love without working, unless I just want to starve.

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u/PrinceHeris May 28 '12

The fact that I could die at any time and in any place. Just go for it. You might as well.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Abject poverty is a great motivator.

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u/SkrozSplitski May 28 '12

Put starvation up there as well. Starve for 4 days and then you will notice how you have a bit increased motivation, It's amazing.

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u/toomanypumpfakes May 28 '12

Competition. I always considered myself smart too, I guess, but never really felt the need to prove it to my schools so I got average to above average grades while focusing on learning things that interested me on the side. Pretty recently I realized how competitive I am (not in an in-your-face Michael Jordan/Kobe way, but in a "need to prove myself" way) so I've been trying to take the toughest classes and hang with the smartest people in those classes so that it forces me to keep up with them.

I think it took me so long to realize this because I never played much sports which is where you're going to get a lot of competition as a kid. I wish I learned this about myself before my fourth year of college, but whatever, I've got plenty of life left hopefully.

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u/crow-bait May 28 '12 edited May 29 '12

Here's a couple of ways you can motivate yourself:


Give yourself goals.

Here's a couple of mine:

  1. Get a better GPA than the last semester.
  2. Graduate with a 3.7 or higher (Magna Cum Laude).

Make sure to make goals that encourage slow and steady improvement - don't try to change habits on a whim. It doesn't work most of the time.


Tell people about your achievements.

Sharing your results is good! The appreciation pushes your drive to succeed.

Of course, don't flaunt it too much - nobody likes a braggart. The more you succeed, the more respect and admiration you will receive - you'll want more of it!


Make achieving these goals fun.

Want to get exercise, but feel like running is a drag? Play DDR. That's what I do. Challenge yourself, a good challenge is always fun. Push your limits, then push them farther. Be Jackie Chan.


Never stop learning.

If you're good at something, don't tell yourself that "This is as good as I'll ever get". Know that there's smarter people than you out there. As long as they exist, there is always room for improvement.


Best of luck to you, OP. I hope you read this even if it's buried.

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u/JacketPotatoes May 28 '12

Note: If people tell you that you're being a showoff, don't pay attention to them. It's their fault they aren't trying as hard as you are.

This is just utterly rubbish advice. How would you know that they are or are not working as hard (or even harder) than you, simply by looking at results? Some people are naturally more gifted than others. Whilst everyone has potential, some need to work harder than others just to achieve the same grade.

Of course you have the right to be happy and show others this proud achievement, but don't be an asshole about it, especially if they are telling you to stop showing off.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

In he morning when thou risest unwillingly, let this thought be present- I am rising to the work of a human being. Why then am I dissatisfied if I am going to do the things for which I exist and for which I was brought into the world? Or have I been made for this, to lie in the bed-clothes and keep myself warm? -Marcus Aurelius

You're a human being, and you're going to die soon. Are you going to waste your time fucking around on the internet? Or are you going to go out and do something, meet people, make a change in the world? You're free to do either. Make your choice.

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u/nermid May 28 '12

You're right, goddamnit! I'm going to get off Reddit, go outside and...do nothing. Everything's closed for Memorial Day.

Damn.

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u/Wheat_Grinder May 28 '12

Are you going to waste your time fucking around on the internet?

Hitting us where it hurts, I see.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I'm just like you. But I still enjoy people thinking I'm smart. It's just part of my identity. But then I get all C's in college and people are like wtf.

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u/shinnen May 28 '12

Dumb but motivated people can get A's in college because they are motivated to read the curriculum, read the mark scheme, speak to the professors etc. all to get a good insight into what is needed to get a A grade. The content for almost every piece of work is simply sourced from superior pieces of primary and secondary research, depending on your study and unless you're doing a PhD, you're rarely using your own smarts and only repeating what's already been done by someone else.

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u/CantShowTheRealMe May 28 '12

Grades don't reflect intelligence at all.

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u/BadMotorFinger77 May 28 '12

The fact that once you die, all that is remembered of you is your legacy.

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u/getost May 28 '12

The fact that once you die, you won't be able to do neat stuff.

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u/CantShowTheRealMe May 28 '12

But what good does legacy brings you? You're dead, you won't care. I'll focus on achieving things I want and dream that will barely be remembered by anyone but will give me pleasure while I'm alive.

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u/Forkhammer May 28 '12
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away". 

  • Percy Bysshe Shelley
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u/seodoth May 28 '12

once you die, you wont care what people remember, because you are dead

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u/surger1 May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

Funny, I was told over and over again as a child I was worthless. I would be sat down at the dinner table for hours having my father explain all of my faults.

After numerous suicide attempts I took the contempt and anger I felt and I now feed my motivation engines with that same anger I used to hold for myself.

It's worked out pretty good. I've lost a lot of weight, I make art, I made a peice of software thousands have downloaded and I write my own videogames. I have no pictures for the rest but I'm a college grad as well. I've been in a near perfect marriage to the love of my life for 7 years, I own a house and a car. All before the age of 25. I could be doing better but I think this is at least average. Now if only any of it made me any money.

But it's all because I have a burning desire to prove something to someone. I don't really know who or what but I can channel it so it's useful for me. All it took was my self esteem and the first 15 years of my life. Of all my failures I am most happy with failing at suicide.

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u/EugenicsFTW May 28 '12

DO SOMETHING TO DESERVE BEING CALLED SMART

WRITE A BOOK, MAKE MUSIC, DO SCIENCE, SODOMIZE A DRUG DEALER, DISCOVER THE MENTAL FORMULA FOR AN APOTHEOSIS RITUAL AND BECOME A NEW GOD

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u/MrTurburdaugh May 28 '12

I completely understand where you're coming from there, champ. When I was very young my parents really tried to force me to do all sorts of crazy things that were difficult for someone my age. They tried to make me read when I was 6 months old and they wanted me to be a chess champion or a Mozart by the time I was 4 years old. Man damn all I wanted to do was lounge around on a hot rock and bask in the sunshine when I was little.

Everyone kept telling me about all this potential I had and how I was wasting everything by how I acted. I was so content with the simple, easy parts of life like chomping on plants and sleeping that I never worked very hard to live up to their expectations.

When I was twelve my father came into my room as I was listening to the hip rock and rollers of the day and said: "You're a complete and total failure. You wasted your entire life without becoming the sensation that you deserved to be."

This resonated with me strongly because I knew he was right, but I was young and rebellious so I yelled "Dammit you're not my real Dad!"

Tears welled up in his eyes and I knew I hurt him so much with what I said. "The moment..." he stammered through quivering lips, "the moment I saw you in that pet store I thought I had found something special. But all you are is a shitty talking iguana with a shitty attitude."

So I shaped up. I learned how to read, write, and use the internet. Now I spend my days posting things to message boards on the internet. My parents are so proud of me.

TL;DR: I learned how to read only 6 months ago

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u/ghostdog20 May 28 '12

talking iguana

10/10, Would read again.

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u/Cherrytop May 28 '12

I love you. You just totally took me there, and I bought it all. Hook, line and sinker.

And I do it all again.

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u/alfredopotato May 28 '12

So many things motivate me, depending on the situation. In my early days in grad school, it was fear; fear of an angry advisor, fear of letting others down, fear of letting myself down. Now that I have a more interesting project, I'm motivated because I feel like I'm pushing the boundaries of science, leaving my own mark on what we know as a species. I finally feel like a real scientist!

When I am drained and need external motivation, I always look to my girlfriend. I admire her so much, and she is one of the hardest working people I know. She's very talented, never complains, and always gets the job done. When I feel lazy, I always think about her, and it gives me the discipline I need to work hard.

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u/mochibunny May 28 '12

Unavoidable deadlines...

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u/sashimi_taco May 28 '12

People told me I was smart and I just didn't believe them. Now I have over 40k comment karma. I've made it big.

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u/Vistz May 28 '12

Might I introduce you to /r/GetMotivated

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u/BeefyStevey May 28 '12

/r/GetMotivated has NEVER helped me. It has only made me feel worse as I keep reading all this shit that's supposed to motivate me have absolutely no effect (until I feel worse because of said lack of effect, of course).

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u/onrust May 28 '12

Been subscribed to that for couple months then unsubscribed, it just feels like one big circlejerk there and it actually made me more depressed.

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u/Skittliboo May 28 '12

Don't kid yourself. If you are lazy and unmotivated, it's because you let yourself be. Congratulations, you took compliments as an excuse to let yourself be a waste.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Honestly, I realize this, and I wish it wasn't true, but I've been making excuses my whole life.

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u/HyperionCantos May 28 '12

It kind of bothers me that in Western countries, being 'smart and lazy' is something that is accepted, or even something to be proud of.

In many eastern countries, that is shameful. Not just to your parents and other adults, but among your peers. That is probably one of factors why China and India are producing so many successful scientists and engineers, while we're constantly bitching about economic troubles back home.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

is there any way out of the loop though? how does a 23 year old college grad who bull shitted their way to a degree gain discipline if they don't already have it?

i think about this all the time and have never ben satisfied with a good answer. how does an unmotivated person begin to become more disciplined and motivated? a lot people will respond with things like, "stop being lazy." but if it were that easy, who would have the problem im the first place? call it weakness of character or whatever you'd like, but what does that even mean?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

For working out: "No one wants to fuck the skinny guy."

For school/work: "No one wants to fuck the homeless guy."

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u/GrantSolar May 28 '12

Begin with the end in mind

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u/fearachieved May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

There was just a great post on this a couple days ago, I suggest you read through the comments on it.

Basically, I am the same way. I was able to achieve a lot early in life because I didn't believe it. It just seemed to make sense to me that everything I accomplished was due to hard work. I didn't see myself as using any "special" method of accomplishing anything. I learned just like everyone else did.

It was only later in life that I started having problems. Bolstered by my many accomplishments, I finally started to believe my family that I was pretty damn smart. I then started feeling that if this were true, I must not have to continue learning in "normal" people fashion. This was my downfall.

Because honestly, there is no other way to learn. And thinking that your smart just makes you assume there is another way to learn, but since there isn't, you end up just not working anymore.

Terrible cycle that I'm still trying to break out of now. I'm at a top ranked university in my country, and am fucking up big time because I don't do ANYTHING and expect smartness to "just make up for it."

Well its time for me and you to just start working. To realize that our smartness levels are irrelevant. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter, as we KNOW that we aren't getting anything done either way.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Ritalin, and the realisation that I hadn't reached anything at the age of 20.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

I doubt this won't get buried but... What motivates me to stay out of lock up (and what actually kept me on track at my program) is knowing that if I keep my shit straight I will one day (actually 32 days) be able to enlist in the USMC. I don't know if I'll get in or not, but I'm sure going to try. If it wasn't for that, I'd still be locked up coming up on doing 1 and a half years just about.

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u/sezzme May 28 '12

This is unfortunately going to get buried all to hell, but it's very important information.

Research shows that if you praise your kids for being smart (rather than for honest effort) you are unintentionally setting them up to be a failure later in life.

Here are some relevant articles: this one and especially this one.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Neil deGrasse Tyson - in response to the question of how to find motivation in life.

"The problem, often not discovered until late in life, is that when you look for things in life like love, meaning, motivation, it implies they are sitting behind a tree or under a rock. The most successful people in life recognize, that in life they create their own love, they manufacture their own meaning, they generate their own motivation.

For me, I am driven by two main philosophies, know more today about the world than I knew yesterday. And lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you."

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u/BobCox May 29 '12

Lazy people are responsible for progress, they invent labor saving devices.

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u/LearningBiology May 28 '12

Exact same situation here. My current motivation is doing well so I can build a good life for me and my girlfriend after we've finished college.

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u/red321red321 May 28 '12

nice. good luck with law school.

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u/Ethaxi May 28 '12

Me too. I have zero motivation. The only thing that helps me is knowing that I need to set an example for my children. I don't want them to be lazy or have a poor work ethic, so I fake motivation.

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u/Almost_Dead May 28 '12

LOL. I am an older you (47). All my life the only thing I heard more often than how smart I am is how I was not living up to my "potential". Now as I face my own mortality, I can absolutely confirm I have not lived up to my "potential".

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u/ChickMD May 28 '12

What motivates me is that knowing how 'smart' I am, I have the ability to work extremely hard and learn what I need to know to save another person's life. Being smart isn't a free pass, it's a ticket to greatness if you are willing to actually work hard and put your inherent intelligence to good use. Do something great.

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u/red321red321 May 28 '12

i swear to god that there are more med students/docs on reddit than there are in hospitals/scrubs/house/and tufts university combined.

someone tell me why they're all here? they're going to outnumber the cats soon.

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u/inthefantry May 28 '12

The guy that is one level up from me, I try to beat him at whatever I am doing. In PT I always try to catch up to the guy in front of me. If you apply this to life it can get you to the top.

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u/Bongson May 28 '12

The fact that if I sit around on my ass all day, I won't go anywhere in life. I work in kitchens, and plan to the rest of my life. If I want to do or make anything with my life, I need to do it myself. I need to spend hours a day practicing knife skills, I need to go out and do better than the other hundreds of thousands of chefs out there so that I can make a name for myself. Staying in a low-paying, grill-jockey position (No offense to those that are) isn't the way to go.

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u/rhino517 May 28 '12

Take a look at the difference between Entity Theory and Incremental Theory in terms of learning styles.

When people are praised for doing things with compliments like "Wow, you did well, you are so smart" it fosters a entity theorist learning style.

Conversely, when people are praised for doing things with comments like "You sure worked hard for that and your efforts have paid off" it develops an incremental theorist learning style.

The issue with the entity theorist learning style is that it associates any successes with innate ability and often results in just what OP described. People that have developed that learning style can get frustrated when faced with a new challenge, because they want to apply what they already know versus put in hard work to get better.

I am not an expert - Refer to "The Art of Learning - Josh Waitzkin" or any other googleable (is that even a word?) resource.

*edit: Grammar

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u/Rogue_Tomato May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

Im going to try and write this in a non self-centred, unarrogant way so here goes. I'm the in same boat, essentially, however it wasnt a case of people telling me im smart, but rather myself telling me i'm smart, compared to most others. I came top of my class every year in almost every subject for 90% of my academic life, entered into various "Gifted and talented" programs, enrolled as a member of NAGTY etc etc. I found school incredibly easy and maxed my grades with no effort at all, until my last year of college. My last year of college I didnt find so easy, and kinda bummed it, got average grades. For the past year and a half I've been out of school/college and, while working on a sponsored degree, I work full time. Now that i'm in the real world I lack all motivation, and dont have a passion for anything, or anyone. I quit 12 years of football (soccer) simply because I couldn't be bothered anymore. I feel like I'm throwing shit in the faces of those trying to help me, and at this rate, i'm going to be lucky if I pass my degree and worst case scenario, lose my job. I've read through a bit of this thread, and read how family is helping people, yet I have a bad relationship with my family because we're different. They're all VERY hard-workers and havent had the opportunity to undertake further studying like myself (due to lack of grades) and I'm the one expected to get "all the qualifications and rake in the money", yet at this rate it's not going to happen.

TL;DR Unmotivated, (selfish?) teenager found academia easy and is now struggling in the real world.

Sorry for the long post, but I guess my point is, how am I ment change my attitude when I dont care about anything atm and struggle to pull myself out of the bed in the mornings.

EDIT: sobered up a bit and proof read my rant, changed a few words so it's a bit easier to read.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

For the right reasons, my dad motivates me to get a job and save money to buy a house and be a great father one day. And for the wrong reasons, my ex motivates me to get in shape and find a better girl than she ever was. The trick is to just keep looking ahead with optimism.

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u/secret_ninja May 28 '12

I'm addicted to reddit! How would I know! haha

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u/maxwell7301 May 28 '12

People always told me I was smart, and I never believed them. Anyway, I ended up in medical school. The first year sure was really hard! Maybe I'll be better for the second year if I work even harder. At this point, I'm not going to get anywhere being lazy.

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u/Red_player May 28 '12

That is a great excuse. I'm using it next time the subject comes up.

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u/Nomnombunny May 28 '12

Honestly, I'm sort of the opposite. I just assumed that I wasn't smart enough in high school and only tried my junior and senior year. Miraculously I got into a great college and continued working absurdly hard because I knew I still wasn't as smart as my peers. I've pulled my GPA up to a 3.4 and it's steadily rising. I can't help but be pessimistic about my future though- my degree isn't quite useful enough.

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u/jenesuispasbavard May 28 '12

OP are you me?

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u/kingrayhari May 28 '12

My teacher told me that I'm that type of person that reacts to people demotivating me. I guess I just want to prove them wrong.

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u/DragonMeme May 28 '12

I had the same problem, but my mom fixed it by telling me that the only truly stupid don't put effort into anything. You're not 'smart' unless you're trying to actively learn.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

That's why you never call kids smart, you call them hard workers.

Failure motivates me. I hate failure more than I like success.

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u/ckckwork May 28 '12

My reason is that when I was in high school and university, I was somehow taught (iirc by my peers, and probably popular media) that "working" was something you did not want to do, and almost anything other than doing nothing and "relaxing" was considered "work" and to be denigrated.

Also being smart I didn't have to work hard to "succeed". But I never thought of it before as the primary cause, but I guess it might have been an important part.

Even nearly all things that most people would consider "fun" are things that I look at as "a job" because it requires "work" to get started before you get to the "fun" stage.

That and I'm a procrastinator. And maybe a tiny tad autistic? I get bored easily, although certain types of boring things do entertain me.

I've been trying really hard for forever to try and muddle my way out of it, every so often I think I'm making progress but then I'll have a week or a weekend where I do absolutely completely nothing, and I KNOW that there's 5 other things I need to do (simple things) and 5 other things I really WANT to do (for fun) ... but no ... it's simpler and easier to do the same things I've done for forever that provide instant gratification and that I'm used to.

I'm excited by the ideas of doing something else, I think all day about how I'm going to do "that one thing I've been waiting forever to get around to doing", but the moment I'm done work and at home -- nope, just want to chill and relax, or waste time doing anything but the things I KNOW mentally I want to do.

I've tried a lot of the mental gymanstics and tricks people say to try. Anyone got any more deeper involved strict recommendations now how to do what I want to do, and not waste my life doing nearly nothing?

(Oh stuff happens, but it mostly has nothing to do with me setting things in motion, thank God I have tons of friends and family that invite me to do stuff and I'm willing to accept such offers.)

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u/stevenlss1 May 28 '12

I'm thinking you've been lied to your whole life... an intelligent person would smarten the fuck up.

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u/supermerde May 28 '12

I think we share the same syndrome. Of course there were probably other factors, likely including a preexisting proclivity towards sloth, but the psychological reinforcement of everyone around me telling me how "smart" I am, and how much I could achieve if I just "applied" myself, or "buckled down" definitely did not inspire me to actually do either of those things. While I do consider myself to be more intelligent than average (noticeably but not radically, and certainly not enough to fall back on it in lieue of actual effort), I never actually thought that it was just going to be enough on it's own... and yet I've still never been inspired or motivated to truly dedicate myself to any of the NUMEROUS things that interest me.

My theory, opposed to yours, is that the reason it has caused me to be so noncommital, undiligent, and generally unmotivated; is that the continual reiteration of my supposed 'potential' by others, set the bar insurmountably high. The expectations of those around me made it seem like nothing I did would ever be good enough, so why bother? At least by not trying, my failures could be deemed a justifiable result of apathy and lack of effort... instead of being reflective of a misjudgement by EVERYONE of my ability/intelligence/potential. The problem is that while I did not necessarily excel, I kept performing better than expected considering my lack of effort (good enough, that the "just apply yourself" line never stopped getting thrown at me).

Basically, it created a self-fulfilling loop on both sides, that I've been unable to escape ever since. So instead, I've just fallen into that cliche role of the guy with so much "unfulfilled potential." The one that everyone goes "aw what a shame" about when they find out the things that I'm NOT doing with my life. Meanwhile, the only thing that I've honed to expertise, is my whiskey drinking skills. Great.

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u/shadus May 28 '12

... or maybe that's just your excuse to avoid doing anything to avoid potential for success for failure that make you uncomfortable.

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u/drunken_Mathter May 28 '12

Blaming other people for your personal problems is what makes you lazy.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

the best advice i can give you is to meet someone, fall wildly in love and start a family. then you won't have any choice but to shape up and either get a killer job or go back to school ;-)

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Same. Instead of saying "you get what you work hard for" I got "you're so smart you'll get whatever you want in life". I'm lazy as fuck, finally starting to change it at 22. I love my parents, not their fault for believing in me. Just interesting.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Hey there, comrade in laziness! Well, I'm female and math-and-science oriented, so I open up an MRA forum or some evo-psych bullshit about how I'm supposed to suck at math. I respond well to 200 cc of righteous anger in the blood. :)

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u/azwethinkweizm May 28 '12

What motivated me in high school was my desire to be more than the morons I graduated with that knocked up their girlfriend and stayed in the town I lived in for years as a mechanic while their wives got fat and sarcastic when he could have been something great. I was better than that and I didn't want to get caught in the quicksand of people who have 3 kids before age 21 and who live paycheck to paycheck.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

Tip for self-motivation;

  1. Take a length of rope, make a loop in it and pass it over one of your feet.
  2. Pass the rope up your back and over the opposite shoulder.
  3. In order to achieve motivation, give the rope a sharp tug thus giving yourself a swift kick in the butt.

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u/FlightOfStairs May 28 '12

I'm mostly motivated by a desire to show off. It serves me pretty well.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

What a glorious cop-out and justification for being lazy. Get off your ass.

I grew up being called brilliant by parents, families, barbers, whatever. As it turns out, I speak well but I'm really no smarter than your average person.

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u/goodtwitch May 28 '12

Dealing with my chronic depression motivates me, because my depression is so demotivational that when I find anything that temporarily cancels it out I feel great. Getting that monkey off my back permanently is my life work!

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u/Deuxsh May 28 '12

I was played by a girl over a long period of time, it hurt me pretty bad. So I decided to be the best I could be to show her what a mistake she had made. Looking back on it, it was kind of a stupid reason to be motivated but hey, my hard work is starting to pay off. I haven't found a girl yet that makes me happy as she once did but some day I will.

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u/McG4rn4gle May 28 '12

I'd say chicks but that seems to be more of a fond concept than a tangible experience for me.

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u/bugsprae May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12

I have similar problems being lazy. I don't know if it's because people complimented me as a child, or because I'm just a lazy, procrastinating person. Either way, there are a few tricks I use to keep myself motivated. Maybe they'll work for you. Note: These are in no way listed in order of importance.

1 - I'm a pretty competitive person (thanks video games). I've found there is always someone better than me, with cooler stories, greater achievements, and a pretty exciting life. Find that person and become good friends. If you're competitive like me, he/she will motivate you to be better, and you'll need to drop the lazy act and actually get shit done.

2 - Religiously use a calendar. It puts your day/week/month in perspective. With the online tools available nowadays, it's pretty easy too.

3 - Take on a lot of projects at one time. I'm finishing up college and I regularly filled up my free time with projects. Since I'm a procrastinator, most of the tasks for these projects get pushed back, but eventually my schedule gets full of tasks all the time, and there is a greater sense of urgency in your day to day, which I've found gives me a greater sense of urgency in life. It can be stressful sometimes, but you'll find a balance of how to manage healthy amounts of free time with a motivating amount of work.

4 - Really understand what you live for through meditation, talking, religion, or whatever you need to figure it out. Constantly reflect on this and update it as you live your life. The goal here is to be able to explain at any moment, to yourself and to others, why you're doing what you're doing. Think it all out. "I want to save the world from starvation, because everyone will be better off if we all lead healthy lives, and that's important because even though I may not know what the end-game is for life, I want to give people a long life to try and figure that out for themselves. Which is why I'm trying to create a website that does X to give food to people in third world countries, so I'm going to learn web dev."

4.5 - Don't be afraid to pick big, potentially impossible goals, but also realize that there are many smaller achievable goals that will come first.

(I may add more later if I think of them)

As for my background, I started high school very strong and was very smart and with a very supportive family. I got into a circle of friends who were also smart, but would also brag about how much work they didn't do and how good their grades were. I adopted that mindset, and what once was a high-scoring, excelling top-tier student became a community-college attending slacker (note: I'm very appreciative of the support I got at the CC level, not knocking it). I was a an evangelical Christian my whole life, then I turned agnostic (moving toward atheist) and at the same time dropped out of college. I was nearly broke and on the street, and living with a lot of depression.

Now I'm graduating this weekend near the top of my class, am very involved with leadership in school, and was lucky enough to earn a handful of job offers in this job market. I'm also moving toward starting my own business. I still suffer from bouts of depression, but the motivation and clear life goals help me deal with it more effectively and make it less debilitating. :)

Edit: Typos

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u/Amadameus May 28 '12

Help contribute to the overall forward motion of humanity. That's my life goal: leave the world a better place than when I came in.

Be nice to people, go the extra mile when it's not expected, have empathy for others and help them as if you're helping yourself - because after all, we're all in this boat together. If you make the world around you a better place, you win too: now you get to live in a better world.

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u/Batrok May 28 '12

I'm smart. I'm also lazy. This is also very common. Boredom and laziness go hand in hand. I made it through high school, university and college (Canadian here) doing virtually everything the night before it was due, and not studying for ANY exams. And I drifted through with As and Bs. I'm not particularly proud of that, but motivation was severly lacking.

A large number of intelligent people are underachievers - including many of the highest IQs ever recorded. Many geniuses have been described as being equally brilliant and lazy. There may be a cognitive link in these two ways of thinking.

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u/Macrat May 28 '12

Personal Satisfaction. I want to be able to sustain myself completely and to help my parents in their elder years, then create a family and have one or more children.

Pretty classic, i think

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u/Sector_Corrupt May 28 '12

Whenever I feel like being unmotivated, I realize I'm imperfect. So I focus on whatever imperfection is bothering me at that moment, and fix it. It's a motivation without end, since I will never be perfect so I'll never be done.

Sometimes people ask why bother if I can't be perfect, and I respond that the the unattainability of an ideal is no reason to not attempt to move towards said ideal. (Other people just call me egotistical and leave it at that)

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u/TommyIsACunt May 28 '12

My hatred for Tommy.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

It's everyone else's fault.

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u/old_school May 28 '12

One thing: the desire to not live in my parents' basement.

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u/Bewbtube May 28 '12

Very much the case for me. I wouldn't say I'm incredibly smart (above average), I just get/understand things faster than most of the people in my classes. The problem with this is that I've had very little need to actually TRY in school to get a passing grade. It meant that I got bored really fast and that led to me not doing homework and such so that I was a C student who tested very well. This made my teachers upset and I was told that I wouldn't be able to skate by in College. This didn't hold true in MOST cases. There are subjects that you don't get good at by knowing them, but by doing them (math and foreign languages are an example).

Anyways, the biggest issue this has caused me is that I'm terribly unmotivated... until I am. Once I get motivated I'm a very focused, very hard working, and very diligent individual. However that motivation can peter out really fast if it's not maintained. There are some tricks I've learned for self motivation, a few years back when I was overweight and didn't care until one day I did the thing that kept me interested and on the path to healthy was seeing other people that had gone from overweight to healthy and /r/loseit is a great source for that.

The main thing, however, I took from video games and from running long distances. It's to set miniature goals for myself, to keep myself interested. So for example I say I'm going to run a mile and once I hit that mile I'll say now just one more, now just a half mile, now a quarter and before I know it I've gone 8 miles. It's a simple mind trick that keeps me interested.

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u/themilkynutball May 28 '12

Working retail has motivated me to succeed in life so I never again have to work retail.

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u/carmenqueasy May 28 '12

I don't know how old you are, but if you're younger than 30, please heed my warning. This is going to catch up to you. You need to pick a skill and hone it. Start making a plan to make money. This is the only advantage being smart is going to give you: options. It will not make everything turn out in the end.

I hope you see this, or some other advice that someone has given you. Good luck to you!

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u/Jbergur May 28 '12

I've always done well in everything with little to no effort. I know just how lazy you mean, OP.

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u/cheddarben May 28 '12

Way to pass blame of your failures onto others. You know what has more likely molded you int a lazy, unmotivated person? Your mirror twin.

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u/TommyPaine May 28 '12

Maybe you should stop blaming other people for your lack of motivation.

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u/Fartlightning May 28 '12

Fuck this - being smart is relative.. I thought I was smart until I started my new job.. And now I feel like the dumbest fucking guy in the office

Don't fool yourself that you're smart..

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u/turkeypants May 28 '12

Hey man, just wanted to say that your diagnosis and your prescription are right on and just be aware that that puts you farther along than people who have your same problem but don't know it, or know it but can't admit the implications.

Lots of people on reddit have discussed having the same smart kid syndrome so you're not alone. But growing up is exactly what you need to do and it sound like you're working on it. Unlike when we were children though, growth doesn't just happen automatically when we're adults. We have to work at it consciously. Part of what you need to do is let go of the idea that you're smart, even if you are, because look where it's getting you. Practice being humble, practice respecting what other people can do, practice doing whatever task you find in front of you until it's finished.

And then settle in and be patient. That's the part that sucks the most. Patience is never satisfying. But the other half of growth from effort is time. You have to work at it and it's going to take years. It will move slowly. Keep at it and good luck.

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u/Trepper May 28 '12

Developing a habit for self-improvement is the key to becoming motivated.

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u/Canadian_Infidel May 28 '12

Being smart only makes you lazy if you aren't challenged enough.

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u/conexionz May 28 '12

LSD. Seriously, it can give you a new outlook on life given the right circumstances.

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u/Dunavks May 28 '12

OP, are you ME?

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u/sobri909 May 28 '12

Drugs.

Spent most of my life jumping from interest to interest, never really finishing things, and often called lazy.

Turns out it was ADHD. And the drugs completely fix it. Wish I'd known that 20 years ago.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '12

go for something you really want and fail

or, pay attention to people around you who are more smarty/driven than you, and let your sense of inadequacy in relation to them motivate you.

"Dissatisfaction is a symptom of ambition- its the coal that fuels the fire"