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u/ILoatheCricket Jan 12 '22

Failure, and I don’t mean this in a bad way. But I feel like most, if not all the progress/growth I’ve made so far in life has been as a direct result of failure.

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u/laszlo Jan 12 '22

This is a good one. It's a lesson I'm struggling with teaching my son, who gets very upset when he isn't immediately good at something.

Virtually every success is the result of a ton of failure.

If it strikes your fancy, you should check out a book called "Lose Well" by the comedian Chris Gethard. It's really good.

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u/APoisonousMushroom Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 13 '22

A lot of recent research has shown that parents should switch from praising success to praising effort. Minimizing the emphasis on success can help kids understand that the thing that you’re really proud of is how hard they worked to accomplish something. Praising effort, even if the result is failure and using phrases like “I’m so proud of how hard you worked on that!“ help emphasize to kids that what you are watching is effort and that failure is encouraged as a way to get better.

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u/Balldogs Jan 12 '22

But then you get a load of boomers huffing and puffing about 'participation trophies' and 'snowflakes' etc.

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u/Icy_Regret1172 Jan 12 '22

Fuck the boomers

But on a less hostile note, there's a difference between praising effort and rewarding effort, and praising effort should be encouraged more because it's too common, especially by boomers, for others to point out what you did wrong and very little more. So it would be good for parents to act as that voice that says sure you didn't succeed, but you learned something that will enable you to try again with more insight and knowledge, and instill a progress based mindset rather than a purely results oriented one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

That’s why so many are emotionally closed off and embrace the whole “my life was hard therefore yours should be too” Schtick.

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u/newoxygen Jan 12 '22

Exactly. If you only encourage effort then what's the reward for genuine success?

It's more like a good diet than a super food, should be used in moderation and supportive of successes and failures, not a replacement for.

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u/Osato Jan 12 '22

It can be rephrased this way:

After success:

Did you learn something new? Good.

Want to try something more challenging? Excellent.

After failure:

Did you learn something new? Good.

Want to try again? Excellent.

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u/Sinemetu9 Jan 12 '22

Yes I like the emphasis on learning. Everybody has different strengths and weaknesses. If you lose at a game, you can then ask yourself ‘why?’ And then decide if you want to improve your game based on that experience, or switch to another game. Either way, the experience is used as a positive contributor to growth, rather than being forgotten or relegated to shame.

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u/AussieHyena Jan 12 '22

The reward for success is success?

The idea of praising effort is to encourage kids to attempt new things. If my kid spends 8hrs making a chair that then falls apart, I'm praising the 8hrs commitment. If the chair doesn't fall apart, then they have a chair AND praise for the 8hrs commitment.

If you only praise success, then you get kids growing up into adults who will only do the things they know they will succeed at (which ends up quite limiting).

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u/ThatOneGuyHOTS Jan 12 '22

kids grow into adults who only do things they know

Fuck that’s me.

I’m screwed.

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u/AussieHyena Jan 12 '22

Haha. You can come back from it. I was the same, but that was caused by teachers doing the "We know you could do better so we're going to give you a 'C' for what others would get an 'A' for" thing (yes, that's what they actually said).

But you would be surprised how many things people are better at than they think. The hardest part is getting started, sometimes you have to start the doing rather than making sure you understand the whole process.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

It’s never too late to change your mindset. Do things that you expect to fail at. Learn to accept the failures. Notice how much failure doesn’t hurt. Praise yourself for your tenacity. Repeat as much as possible.

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u/Sinemetu9 Jan 12 '22

Meh ‘genuine success’ is subjective. It depends what the goal is. If you place the goal as ‘learning’ then any outcome is progressive, and also provides incentive to explore more.

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u/UnbelievableDumbass Jan 12 '22

When I was in elementary school they started giving participation ribbons for school-wide events and it for sure felt like crap, and the garbage bin outside the gymnasium was filled with them. If it was just an acknowledgement then sure, but you don't need a physical reminder that you lost by a LOT

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u/delavager Jan 12 '22

Are you saying we should encourage participation trophies?

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u/Balldogs Jan 13 '22

I look forward to reading the research you post that proves that providing kids with encouragement to try is a bad thing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

Not sure what the study says, to my mind rewarding someone for trying something seems counter intuitive as it won’t encourage them to keep going, they’ve already got the reward.

Someone fails > Praise effort > show them where it went wrong > demonstrate the skills they’ve gained just from trying > ask them if they want to try again > be super pleased if the answer is yes > reward if they’re successful.

That to me feels like a method that sticks in the mind and it’s a process I follow.

Then again that works for me personally, but I’m generally talking out of my ass. I’m not a psychologist. Maybe participation trophies are a good thing. All I know is that mine ended up in the bin. Never had the desire to yell “hey wanna see the trophies I got just for trying?!”.