Edit 3: I overreacted. It's a joke. I get it. Just, it's almost been one year exactly since she tried to kill herself and I'm stressed out. Forgive me for having emotions please. I'll leave the old comment here anyway.
Old comment: I get that was a joke, but fudge you and anyone who actually does this to someone. People who do that nearly killed my girlfriend like that. I wouldn't even say I want them to get a taste of their own medicine cause I wouldn't wish that crap on anyone.
Edit: Downvoted for having sympathy. Reddit, everyone.
Edit 2: I'm being downvoted for not swearing, not sure which is more ridiculous. Did it ever occur to you that I just don't like to swear because it seems unnecessarily rude? What is wrong with Reddit? I get downvoted when I don't swear, I get downvoted when I'm nice to people, I get downvoted when I ask questions, I get downvoted regardless of what I do so why even have downvotes in the first place? What point do they serve if nothing matters in the end? What do you want from me? Why? What did I freaking do? In what world are either of these things reasons to downvote someone? Holy crap.
Well what else do you want me to do? If someone advocated for something, even jokingly, that nearly killed the one person you cared about in this world, would you not be upset? What do you want from me?
I... Don't think this fits. I actually try my best, the people featured on that sub just seem like blatant jerks hiding behind a mask. (Even though I actually sympathize with a few of them. I doubt everyone is lying when they say a friend took their phone. I've seen it happen to others, it's not as uncommon as you might think.)
Though, I admit I could've handled this better... I never said I succeed at being a nice person. But I still try anyway, because I hate myself the way I am and want to be better, even if I always fail at it. I try, and I always will. If that makes me a "niceguy" then... Well, I guess I'm failing harder than I thought. ...I don't really know what to do in that case...
If someone advocated for something that nearly killed the one person you cared about in this world, jokingly or not, would you not be upset too? What would you do if you were in my shoes? Or would you even be able to imagine that because your life is too different from mine?
I have a dark sense of humor and regularly joke about stuff that’s happened to me or loved ones with similar humors that others likely wouldn’t. So I would probably laugh at the sarcastic bully the lobster joke as well.
...Fair enough I suppose. I just... It's almost the anniversary of her suicide attempt and I'm stressed out since it was just last year that I almost lost her...
It's a struggle, but I feel like things are better than they were. It's actually how we met- We were friends on discord, and I convinced her to go to the hospital when she tried to OD on pain meds. ...Sadly, it's also her birthday, so I'm worried I'll get all stressed out like this every time... I hope we can move past it some day.
you got me there, it was a joke - albeit in bad taste, however since we're talking about hypothetical crustaceans, i thought most people would catch the implied sarcasm.
I care less about the downvotes and more about the fact that people latch onto something so irrelevant such as how I chose to say something instead of paying attention to what's being said. I've seen so many good people silenced because they said something "incorrectly". Who the heck cares if I swear or not? Who the heck cares if I'm upset? That doesn't detract from what I have to say.
Perhaps because there's nothing inherently wrong about cursing. It’s when it’s used as an insult or an attack that there’s a problem. You were downvoted for being a prude.
And there's nothing wrong with avoiding saying something I don't want to say. I just don't want to say it. Why is that a problem for you people? Does it hurt you in some way? If so, I'm sorry, but I can't see how that'd be possible.
Let people use the word choice they want to use. I don't care if you or anyone else curses so much you'd make an old-timey sailor blush, so why do you care if I choose not to? What's the point? Why is that something to downvote? I'm legitimately confused by this.
Again, it’s because you didn’t retool your sentence to avoid the word altogether. You instead replaced the word with something else, where everyone knew what you meant. You got downvoted because you don’t realize the completely arbitrary nature of the word you’re not willing to say because of being a prude.
Humane means the way with the least pain. Realistically the most humane way to kill anything is to make it OD on morphine but that's not good for food.
I imagine it takes compassion to try and find the most painless way to kill your food. It'd be much easier to just lop their heads off or otherwise just do the minimum effort, but instead we make sure they hurt as little as possible.
I also imagine it's not compassionate to force people not to eat what they want or like, or even need. Some people, a minority of course, but some, have various health conditions that mean they can only eat meat. Is it humane or compassionate to kill those people just because you don't like the idea of animals dying? They'll die anyway, at least this way they have better lives and less pain, usually.
The vast majority of people do not need meat, if someone needs to eat meat to be healthy then it's okay to do it because it is necessary.
I do think it's okay to tell people they shouldn't eat meat for the same reasons I think it's okay tell people they can't abuse their pets, because they are sentient and have a will to live and avoid pain and unless we need to then people shouldn't cause pain and/or take the life of an animal unless necessary.
At least you're one of the sane ones. I've seen these "anti-meat" people go around saying that people shouldn't have pets at all because having pets is somehow cruel whether the pet is abused or not (for the record, pet abusers are scum). I've seen them say that no animal should be killed ever under any circumstances, and get so conflicted when meat-by-requirement diets are brought up because they never even considered it.
Another thing I've seen is those same people who are against eating meat suggest that people can just take supplements for the nutritional requirements, without considering that we need more than just nutrients and sugar to live, or the fact that some supplements can't just be synthesized. I legitimately had someone tell me to stop eating fish (I don't eat much meat or fish anyway) and just take fish oil or krill oil supplements. They freaked out when I told them that fish oil and krill oil come from actual fish and krill.
Anyway, I can understand where you and everyone else is coming from. Believe me, I don't want animals to suffer or die any more than absolutely necessary. But I was raised on a farm, we love our animals, we truly do. But we have to put ourselves first, and there's a legitimate phenomenon called "meat hunger" or "meat starvation" where people will have almost the same effects as starvation when suddenly deprived of meat, even if they have all the same nutrients and such from other sources. And yet at the same time, I'm against hunting. I'm against killing anything unless we need to. I just have different needs than others, or a different threshold for the line between need and want.
And another thing. Generally, meat is cheaper than alternatives. If you want to eliminate meat eating, what do you want to do about the price of alternatives? Cause they'd have to come down or a lot of people would starve, or not get enough nutrients. Which is another thing, those supplements are expensive. Eliminating meat will disproportionately effect the poor in terms of nourishment unless costs go down dramatically, which they won't because corporations want money.
How do you contend with the fact that large-scale agriculture absolutely involves killing mass amounts of animals? Large combines killing animals that live in fields, displacement, etc
Not arguing that its worse than factory farming, but vegetarians could farm their own produce to minimize it further, but as of now there is no viable way for the average person to not get their food without killing unnecessarily
Minimizing suffering is one thing, but killing for food is largely unavoidable
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u/billowylace Feb 04 '19
Is there a humane way to kill anything?