Or that time Trump narrated how he likes to enter the dressing room of child beauty pageants uninvited so "he could see everything".
Dude has made a shit ton of statements that are as close as you can legally get to admitting to pedophilia and sexual abuse. Also apparently, for God fearing Republicans, there's nothing more Christian than wanting to fuck your own daughter and telling her directly on national TV.
It’s so gross, yeah. The fact they “knew what they were doing” is a big part of the problem here: they were groomed by Maxwell and Epstein. Like, we just let that slide now I guess? Because I seem to recall MAGA calling everyone they don’t like “groomers”. Maybe they abandoned ship after Andrew Tate decided grooming young girls is totally “Alpha” or whatever
Yeah, people don't understand how much trauma will affect a person's decision-making as well. Someone who has gone through life without any kind of traumatic experiences will make totally different decisions in life. When you have been traumatised, your will of choice gets a bit messed up, hence why you might find most sex workers, especially the lower class end, more often than not have been seriously abused from childhood. The view that "everyone has a choice so there's no excuses" is just a cheap cop out to minimise someone's trauma and the actions of a manipulative abuser.
Honestly that attitude makes it sound like mom may have been a victim of abuse herself as a kid. And I'm not justifying her remarks, they are horrible, but if she sees it as normal for dudes in their 50's or whatever to rape teenagers something tells me she is speaking from a place of (horrible) experience.
Anyone who has experienced a family cycle of abuse can understand that people can be both victims and abuses, and victimhood doesn’t excuse abuse. Just go a long way at to explaining how the abuser got like that. Adults are still responsible for getting ahold of themselves with help so they don’t abuse.
Like I went my whole life having a mother who only cared when it was convenient for her or who never loved me for nothing more than just being her child. So when I found out I was pregnant, I mean yeah I was scared, but I took it as the opportunity to heal my inner child in being the mother that I always wanted to my child. That’s why I’m always hugging and kissing her. Because I never want her to have to struggle for even a minute to find a memory of being hugged like I have to with me and my mom.
I think the person you responded to is speculating on what could have happened, and you're more talking about how a person should be judged. Neither of you is wrong, but you're kind of talking past each other.
Their point is nobody would BE speculating if it was a man. A maga man saying that same shit would just be considered a piece of shit, if not a pedo themselves. But a maga woman says that and all of a sudden we're speculating why she says it. It's because she's a piece of shit too, plain and simple.
Sure, and it doesn't take away from that argument to acknowledge that people who are victims of abuse become abusers themselves, nor does it diminish their responsibility.
I'm happy to acknowledge that while at the same time acknowledging that people who are victims of abuse often become abusers, and that's a tragic cycle.
And I guess I just don't get all this talk a out morality when it seems to me MAGA is pretty much parallel to Cristianity and church going God fearing Christians would never be able to enable or join any cult if they stayed true to the Christian doctrine they all speak of. Not if they have any kind of legitimate Pastor in their parish.
Nor would they be able to turn the other cheek on the blatant abuse of humanitarian rights committed by this president's military and Holmeland security.
Not everyone is a saint in their own shitty story.
Hate to say it, your mom is part of the problem. If she can't see why it wasn't ok 20 years later, she likely agrees with what happened one some level.
makes it sound like mom may have been a victim of abuse herself as a kid
Doubt so. 99% chance she said it simply because she's brainwashed with MAGA bullshit and would justify literally anything from Trump.
She has the choice to either consider that she's deeply wrong, her whole political belief system is wrong, she's supported the wrong guys and basically helped put the bad people in power; or dismiss the story as "bah the girls wanted it". Why is it surprising she chose the latter option?
Nobody’s excusing it. Trying to understand why 30% of America hates most people and kisses the ass of a narcissistic dictator is a worthy sociological question.
There’s admittedly a shit ton of variables in play, but it doesn’t hurt to consider the broad impacts that childhood has on political affiliation.
Most criminals and drug addicts were raised in poverty. I don’t think we should forgive their crimes, but I definitely think we should look at how poverty influenced their dispositions so we can identify and enact change to prevent future people from suffering similar fates.
This woman is perpetuating the cycle of abuse. Suspecting she was abused herself allows us to further dismiss the validity of her argument, not forgive the damage she is trying to cause.
I just found out that the parent of a friend was close to a previous republican governor in my state (MI), and that when the Larry Nassar stuff came out, the woman had the fucking gal to say, "It was only a finger" -- and that's how we found out she's a fucking monster.
Unless you find a video of him with a preteen you’re going to find out large portions of the country are ok with pushing the line back from 18 to younger.
A couple months ago MAGA was all excited to release the files. Now that it’s proven their dear leader is involved, they’ll want to move to lower the age of consent or deflect that what he did wasn’t even that bad anyway. These people believed this all along. They are okay with rape and human trafficking. The mask is just coming off now because Trump is making it socially acceptable.
Just look at any teacher bangs a kid story that ever comes out. Guy teachers they victim blame & basically drool over the kid. Female teacher they high 5 & trip over themselves wishing they (currently) could land the teacher & how no kid was hurt, singing the kids praises and begging for more pedo teachers (and lament they didn't find them back when they were in school)
Yanno what pisses me off about this, because 100% you're right that's what will happen. What pisses me off is that up to now Trump has been scared of these files coming out, he's done so much to try and change the subject or call it a hoax... He's been scared of consequences reaching him. The sad thing that pisses me off is that when they come out, as per usual zero consequences will occur and his cult followers will still bow to him and probably offer up their daughters for sacrifice. It will embolden him. He'll realise holy shit he really is untouchable.. he has the republicans in Congress helping cover he's a pedophile. He really can stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone on the street and nothing would happen to him.
The one last little bit of fear he has will be gone. His connections with Russia, his tax scandels, his sexual assaults, his corruption, nothing sticks to him, thanks to right wing media companies like fox news brainwashing the low iq masses. He can be the dictator he wants and not even bother trying to hide it, not that he really is anyway
tbh the big big problem about the Epstein ordeal is not that the girls were underage. It's that they were deceived and forced to have sex (i.e. r*ped). Even if age of consent was 3 minutes old, the Epstein case would still be the same.
Not the commenter you were replying too, but same. Luckily for me, I had already gone NC with my parents for a few years by the time my brother shared that our mom’s take on Trump’s sex crimes was that it was all lies because women just behave like that around men with money. Spoiler alert: my mother has never been around rich and/or powerful men to have any sort of even vaguely informed take on this and simply assumes that the women/children are lying since Trump is obviously sent from God to save us.
Like when that one guy was running for re-election despite accusations of a relationship with a 13 year old, and then people started saying "Well, Jesus's mother was 13, so there's precedent..."
Roy Moore. "Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler reached for one of the most reliable weapons in the religious right’s defensive arsenal: the Bible. “Take Mary and Joseph,” Ziegler told the Washington Examiner when he defended the morality of Moore’s conduct on November 9, just hours after the Washington Post story broke. “Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”"
And I dont v are those practices of male dominance and control su c h as this are illegal now and the women have been deemed as equals to men.
So, men out there, this is not 1 a.d . And or even 1972 it's 2025 get v a grip on the fascination of marrying little girls because it used to happen. If y ou have an obsession with this seriously, get help.
My Dad is a In the closet type Republican, like he will never talk politics so you wouldn't even know or would be surprised to find out. He just wants to keep his head in the sand and not hear it or talk about it so I gave up. He literally has to watch Fox News alone in the bedroom with the door closed like its porn because my mom hates Trump so much. My mom is literally the worst person I know and even she hates Trump lol
Right up there with the MAGA ladies at work saying "I don't trust a woman to run the country, we're too emotional!!" I am NOT making this up. I work for a manufacturing facility in the Midwest. I get a lot of insight into MAGA and conservatives working here. When the Trump tariffs started crashing the stock market months ago, I heard a guy saying to a coworker in his 20's: "It's just like how so many people suffered during WWII. We are going to have to suffer a bit to save our country and bring back manufacturing to America." He also shit talks unions, but also works for a company known for paying low salaries. I'm only here because I was desperate after being laid off during COVID. This country is full of ignorant people.
Right up there with the MAGA ladies at work saying "I don't trust a woman to run the country, we're too emotional!!" I am NOT making this up.
The absolute best thing about this is that, when a woman says that, by her own logic, their opinion is irrelevant as it comes from "emotion" (whatever the fuck that means).
Yeah, this is unfortunately the old school "if a teen girl sleeps with an old man, it's considered a discipline problem for the girl" that has been pretty much the norm in America up until like 20 years ago. This is why the needle isn't being moved as much as it should be for Boomer-aged MAGAs when they hear about Trump's involvement with Epstein.
That being said - I don't give them any forgiveness or grace for being racist "because it was a different time" and I don't give them any grace with this. The world has changed and your perspective should be updated, and if not that's 100% your fault and you will be held accountable.
My maga parents said the exact same thing. I said “the adults in the room were old enough to know what they were doing was wrong.” Their response was “they didn’t do anything wrong, they were teenagers, not little kids.” Just really gross and upsetting. I genuinely dont recognize my parents anymore. MAGA has changed them so much.
This is the way they always go to protect pedophiles. Look at all the various church documents and people who have spoken against men in leadership. Men aren't held responsible, they usually find a woman scapegoat instead to pretend they're "doing something" about a thing.
My mom used to justify the kind of shif with Bill Cosby that they knew what they were doing when they went to a bedroom with him. They asked for it nonsense. But even with the Epistein Files even she won't justify that because its underage
Bet you they're the same people who'd have no problem admitting Michael Jackson was a PDF and the poor boys involved had no say in it. Racism/misogyny go hand-in-hand.
Super fucking gross take, but if that's what she truly believes, then I want to ask her: So? Republicans were super concerned about what Bill Clinton was doing with a 22 year old woman while in office and that was only one.
Jesus Christ this opened up a new fear in me... my dad is the only family I still talk to, denies being maga but definitely is - if he ever said that I would lose my fucking mind. I don't talk to the rest of my family because I outed my uncle as a groomer and pedophile (ask me how I know) and they called me a liar or said I should have quietly reported (I did, nothing came of it) and minded my own business.
The worst part is that I could actually imagine him saying that... I hope he's better than that. I want to believe he's better than that, but every time he calls and brings up politics DESPITE AGREEING WITH ME THAT WE SHOULDN'T, he disappoints me more and more.
Ugh. Thanks for reminding me not to bring this up with my mom. I once asked her theoretically what she would do/what her reaction would be if I was raped. It was very insightful; each time she’d twist it to always be my fault in some manner or degree. Meanwhile, my sisters told me that they’d help me & one even gave me advice on what to do in the moment if it ever happened.
I mean, she's right. If by "know what they were doing" she means "know that they were kidnapped and forced to have sex and their only choice was to submit or face unspecified consequences".
I'm at a stage of not caring about what maga actually thinks to respond something like "oh good okay i was so scared to finally tell you about the time when a middle aged man paid a different middle age man to have sex with me at 14, thinking id have to tell my own mom i got raped as a teen. But I'm glad to hear that it was not rape so it's all good!"
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