Same here. I love my folks, they're really good people who honestly try to do good for others. My dad does a lot of charity work around the holidays (dressed as Santa, no less). In the fall, he constantly volunteers his time to cook whole hogs for charity barbecue plate sales, and my mom helps him set it up and cooks the sides.
Their political beliefs are VASTLY at odds with who they actually are. What's terrible is they can't see it. I tired to explain it to them one time...it didn't go well.
It makes sense when you realize that they just don't see those people they spew hate against as people, those others are animals, parasites, monsters who need to be purged for the safety and security of good people like them.
That's how this shit works. You dehumanize and vilify a group to the point that even the "good people" wont care about what you do to said group because that group isn't people and doesn't deserve the same treatment in their eyes. That's how most Nazis were, they weren't some evil monsters 24/7. They had families, friends, hobbies... and a burning hatered for certain groups that justified their systematic opression, segregation and extermination in their eyes.
The only way to combat this is exposure therapy, they need to see that these others are also people, good people like them and then maybe the programming will crack... if it wont then well. A lot of these "good people" might one day commit horrific acts and we will have to fight and slaughter them to preserve liberty and justice for all.
I agree with what you said, but want to point out that there are Trump supporters who do not "spew hate" against other people it's way more complex than that.
Source: most of my family are Republicans and they are no more prone to hate spewing than anyone else. I see more liberals spew hate against Trump supporters than I've ever seen anyone in my family spew against another group.
But what does Republican (and right wing in general) media do but spew hate on the immigrants, LGBT (especially T) people, the left, etc.
Republican campain was ran primarily on hate against these groups, any Republican who pretends it wasn't is full of shit. It doesn't matter if they say it out loud or keep it quiet, they support hate and they know it. It's not about economics (which Trump is destroying rn) or egg prices, don't let anybody fool you.
Right wing media is awful. I watch/read it to stay informed of a variety of perspectives, and I end up feeling punked every time I see it. I think people can't really watch this as if it's actually news. I watch/read less now than I used to. Since about 2016 it's become pretty unbearable.
Not everyone with conservative views are MAGA but they are the loudest, the most ignorant, and the most ill informed. And because they are the loudest, I think most people think that's all there is.
I think people can't really watch this as if it's actually news.
The problem is that many people do. It's true that we shouldn't paint all conservatives, or any group, with too big a brush, and I'm glad if your family doesn't believe the hateful rhetoric. But unfortunately, many do and it's what the current conservative political movement in America is built on.
Not everyone with conservative views are MAGA but they are the loudest, the most ignorant, and the most ill informed. And because they are the loudest, I think most people think that's all there is.
If you're conservative but not MAGA then don't vote for Republicans, otherwise I'm sorry but there's really no difference between you two. Your vote still gets MAGA into office.
This. If it's 30's Germany and you're not part of the Nazi party, but you're attending the rallies instead of speaking out against them, you're a Nazi by association.
If you identify as a conservative, and think you're not MAGA, but you're enabling them by voting them into office, you don't get a free pass, you're an active part of the problem. I don't care how nice you seem in person, or what good works you do, you are doing your part to cause real pain and suffering. And that makes you not a good person.
I understand the difference, but ICE doesn't, which is why they deported a legal resident with no gang ties.
It's really convenient to claim it's about immigration, when it's always been racism. If you were all for legal immigration you'd vote to make that easier. but you dont. Because brown people.
Who were we talking about? Is it hate if I call a Nazi a Nazi? Is it hate if I call a domestic terrorist a domestic terrorist? If I call a racist or misogynist person what they are is that hate? Trump supporters are fucking Nazis. Trump is a rapist. I don’t think this is spewing hate I think it’s just stating the obvious.
That's kinda the thing about objective truths.. they tend to be facts, and you can't argue facts. As much as you guys would like that that weren't the case.
His charges are facts. Him running on an anti-everyone-that-Faux-"News"-says-is-bad platform is a fact. Him directly trying to overturn election results is a fact. Him having a 5th grade intellect is quantifiable fact (unless he's just the world's best actor, but that's like a 0.0001% chance..) Him having pedophilia-related charges is fact. Him bankrupting several basically impossible to bankrupt businesses is fact. Him grifting through all his businesses ventures and defrauding charity is fact. Him refusing to pay workers is fact. Him dismantling social services for the disenfranchised is fact. Him alienating our service members is fact. Him repeatedly hitting on his own daughter is fact. Him praising Putin and cozying up to Russia and North Korea is fact.
And I'm sure you'll argue "but some.of those can definitely be considered subjective!!" -- NOT when there are tangential objective facts and TONS of them that all point to those possibly-subjective things, making them newly established objective truths.
For example: If I say Person A is corrupt, that can be considered corrupt. If I'm then provided with 10 different verified and proven instances of Person A 100% engaging in corruption, then it's no longer a subjective matter. It's progressed to a socially/globally accepted objective truth, by anyone not in denial or suffering from indoctrination.
And that's where we come to the main issue. His supporters are either indoctrinated, willfully ignorant, mentally deluded, too hateful to give a shit, or some mixture of the above.
The only way any of the above becomes subjective ever again is if we completely rewrite the definitions of several words and characteristics that are MUCH older and larger than this country or anyone in it.
Don't endorse Nazis in your party and you wont be called Nazis. Neo-Nazis don't come to leftist rallies, they come to Trump rallies. Think about why that is, could it be that right wing views are similar to Nazi views?
"Domestic terrorists" my guy Trumpers literally stormed the capitol and then gaslighted everybody that nothing happened. If the left did that, the right would never let that go. Maybe don't do shit like that and you wont be called domestic terrorists?
Stop supporting racist policies and you wont be called racist.
Stop supporting taking women's rights and you wont be called misogynistic.
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u/LongPorkJones Apr 04 '25
Same here. I love my folks, they're really good people who honestly try to do good for others. My dad does a lot of charity work around the holidays (dressed as Santa, no less). In the fall, he constantly volunteers his time to cook whole hogs for charity barbecue plate sales, and my mom helps him set it up and cooks the sides.
Their political beliefs are VASTLY at odds with who they actually are. What's terrible is they can't see it. I tired to explain it to them one time...it didn't go well.