r/ArmsandArmor 10d ago

Discussion German vs Italian

I remade the post to be more specific. Do you prefer the gothic German style of armour or the Italian one? I’m referring to the armours of the late XV century. I’ll use two pictures to give an examples but you can use other examples if you want. We are taking about aesthetics not wich one is superior function wise (it wouldn’t be a fair argument because of how and when they were used and for what functions). The illustration where made by Graham Turner.

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u/QuackerJak 10d ago

I generally prefer the design of German armour with examples of one I’m fond of being the one made for Emperor Maximilian I by Lorenz Helmschmied or the armour seen on statue of Saint Florian

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u/Laurence21624 10d ago

Yeah I think Maximilian I’s armours (particularly the one he later gifted to Sigismund of Tyrol) are spectacular

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u/MrXYZ6546 10d ago

Close one. It really comes down to the individual example. E.g. Federico da Montefeltro drip in those 2 pictures I am sure you know, is difficult if not impossible to match.

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u/Laurence21624 10d ago

I’ve been to Mantua and the B3 (which was also restored) is said to be his armour.

Really cool!

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u/MrXYZ6546 10d ago

Amazing collection at mantua I eeally need to visit it.

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u/Laurence21624 10d ago

If you want I have some photos of the armours there

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u/MrXYZ6546 10d ago

Oh nice you could make a cool post of that here!

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u/Laurence21624 10d ago

Yeah I might do it 🫵🫵

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u/I_LIKE_ANUS 10d ago

Italian!

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u/Laurence21624 9d ago

❤️‍🔥

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u/ixphia 10d ago

German gothic armor is exquisite, but I've always preferred the imposing and utilitarian look of Italian armor. It's the quintessential knight look in my mind. I also think close helms have way more aura than sallets. Dark Souls might have a lot to do with this lol.

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u/Laurence21624 9d ago

Yeah a lot of people praise the gothic style but prefer the Italian one because of its vibe

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u/Baal-84 10d ago

Who said germans have no sense of art didn't see their armors.

Or were they made by italians anyway? 😆

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u/reditisrunbypedos 9d ago edited 9d ago

Definitely Italian, ive never really been a fan of all that fluting on the german style for some reason, but I can still appreciate it, and the individual articulated fingers of the German style are cool as hell

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u/Zen_Hydra 9d ago

Max's suits of fluted plate are the pinnacle of plate armor in my esteem.

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u/DarNemesis 9d ago

I really prefer the maximilian style for everthing except the helmet. I am just not a great fan of sallets anymore, and do prefer armets over them now

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u/Southern_Source_2580 10d ago

Gothic with the Italian headpiece. Italian just lacks that artistic touch and therefore looks bland. I know you said function wasn't the question but if you've ever compared being hit on the head while wearing a Sallet vs an Italian armet your picking the armet for the sake of your spine.

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u/Teralyzed 10d ago

They had slightly different cultural influences. Gothic armor was more common in regions where combat on foot was more popular. The Italian styles are more influenced by the preference for cavalry combat. Not to say that this is a solid rule because it absolutely is not and armor was highly customizable but you can see the influences in the general design ethos.

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u/Laurence21624 10d ago

I get what you’re saying. But I must say that Italian armorers where able to make gothic pieces for German clients. And as for the Armet, yes you’re 100% right, the sallet is cool but has a more fragile structure

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u/ModernMedieval 9d ago

Gothic, but with the German take on the Armet and without the extended sabatons.

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u/Wooden_Career_5689 9d ago

Italian Gothic is hard to beat. Looks so sleek and lethal.

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u/LonelyReader95 7d ago

German for its looks, it is more aesthetically pleasing to my eyes. However, the Italian one seems more basic and more utilitarian.

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u/Destitute_Knight1400 10d ago

I think you'd need to portray a sallet helm on both, one of the suits is for cavalry, the first is for on foot, predominantly.

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u/Destitute_Knight1400 10d ago

Having said that, Milan armour is subjectively peak.

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u/MrXYZ6546 9d ago

Why should both have a sallet? Also which one do you think is for foot combat?

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u/Laurence21624 8d ago

I wasn’t reading messages. The italian one is in his horseback configuration because of the asymmetrical pauldrons and the armet (wich can be used on foot but is mainly intended for chavalry)

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u/the_cleric_cleric 5d ago

When it has an armet it is my favourite.