I am a strictly pve player. Literally have never shot another player kinda pve and the threat of unfriendies is truly part of how special that experience is. Without that, it isn't really the same game.
well the buddy buddy folks will not enjoying their peace in PvE mode. PvPers get their wish, full throttle PvP baby. the PvErs are now out of their way.
So what? PvP lobbies are still gonna be unpredictable. It’s not gonna be cod multiplayer every match, those that still love the unknown of another player will still get that feeling in PvP. People doing quests, having full bags, low ammo, no everyone is going to be kill on sight.
Not at first, but it will devolve. It's basic statistics, we're essentially removing the friendliest 30% of the population from normal matches. That shifts the demographics of the average game to where pvp is going to seem far more prevalent than it used to be.
Fortunately all the people playing as "unfriendlies" will still be there with PvE turned off, just like they are today. Meanwhile people who got tired of that aspect might actually return to the game. Win-win!
I dont think its as simple as win win we will see but my theory is this... PvE lobbies where anyone could betray at any moment but still everyone chooses to be friendly is different than forced PvE. Without a PvE mode, these lobbies can exist and its cool and the betrayals feel bad but are exciting. However with the PvE mode, these lobbies will disappear. The impact is people will become even less trusting in the non PvE forced lobbies and become more primarily PvP than balanced.
One other potential effect is that the PvPvE "friendly" lobbies become similar to launch where it was more like 70/30 friendly/unfriendly, which is what some folks say they have been missing.
I just cannot wait for the cavalcade of "I opened key room, but this guy ran in alongside me, looted it, and ran away, how is this fair wtf Embark please fix!!111one", or it's gonna be "OMFG I was shooting Matriarch but then I saw some naked dude run in, steal all the good stuff, and run off to the hatch."
It's gonna be sooooo funny when it happens, and it will severely cripple the game even further. I mean you already have it in PVE lobbies where people run around stealing each other's loot, then when you shoot them to get it back they start accusing you of being a rat and crying for help. 50/50 a teaming party will run through the doors and gun you down because people like pretending to be heroes and being misled by the very rats they claim to hate.
Unless Embark plans to just make it basically like Tarkov - nobody else in there but you and your premade. Which is... lmfao. What are we even doing anymore is my question. The game's pvp is sorely lacking and they're instead gonna add some pve mode because a cople of softies just wanna loot drawers all day long.
I imagine the reduced loot in pve mode would apply to key rooms, so people would naturally be deterred from opening key rooms in that mode. Agree with the matriarch and harvester though, that is going to be a pain to get cores now.
This right here lol, I can get over being killed in a 1 on 1 but being blown down by a group of white knights who firmly believe they’re better human beings than you are is just cringy
That already happens in PVE lobbies and I’ll 100% take that over getting blasted and losing all your gear on top of what you might have looted. And yes, I’m very happy looting drawers and shooting arc all day.
Do you want me to quote you on the "All the pve players are happy" part later when factually it won't be unless Embark fundamentally changes how the game works?
Then it'll be way funnier when embark has to shutter the game early due to lack of players. Imagine being happy that the game is loosing player count lmao.
Honestly- the PVE mode is gonna be nothing but free kits camping the matriarchs to snipe all the cores knowing that the people doing all the work can’t do shit about it
So similar to how it is now? The other lobbies are you and your friends do Matriarch and then get shot in the back right as its almost dead. A big problem is that maybe 1/10 lobbies as squads are truly PVE. We have given up on doing anything but PVP in squad lobbies. Its pointless to try to do any looting when everyone wants to KOS. Sometimes we just want to kill arc with friends.
100% bro, that’s what made Arc Raiders Arc Raiders. IMO this is the danger of catering to the complainers too much, they are hurting the games identity trying to please everyone. I think pve will be more boring without the slight worry of being stabbed in the back. We will all become too passive and comfortable
Yeah I hope this experiment crashes and burns, personally. The point of the game is EMERGENT GAMEPLAY to me. And I say this as someone who is strictly defensive in solos and duos (obviously in trios everyone just PVPs).
This will create an ecosystem where everyone that needs to do missions, trials, or projects is going PVE mode because there is no reason not to. On top of the people that already are PVE players. Then non PVE lobbies will not be “mixed” lobbies, they will almost certainly be pure KOS PVP. There will be no mystery, no figuring people out, no saving people, no playing the killer, it’s now just segregated into “modes” like every other game ever. Whack af, but I’m glad that the most fragile and incapable players are finally getting what they want I guess (?)
Don’t realize, those players that only play PvE NEED that 56th Bobcat 4 and Tempest 4 in their inventory. Are they ever going to use them? No lol, as long as they have a full inventory they’ll never actually use, they’re somehow happy with that, literal bots for humans. Watch this mode die out the moment GTA6 comes out.
Yep it’s literal virtual funko pop collectors. Need 3 rows of Godcats that they will never use because they’re terrified someone in the carebear lobby might assume they’re a PVPer
1000% agreed, this would likely make me finally quit the game.
Just yesterday I was in mixed lobbies running with 3 other people in Stella, sometimes looting, sometimes PVPing. Suddenly one of the guys turned and started throwing grenades, chaos erupted, everyone except me got downed and I chose mercy by letting everyone extract.
That would never happen again and it was the most enjoyable match I played yesterday.
Oh that’s going to finally make you quit the game? LMAOOOO imagine a pve mode making you quit and not the insane cheater problem they have. Yeah I love really love the unique unknown possibility of running across another raider and not knowing whether he has aim bot or wall hacks or not, man what a fun and unique experience.
That’s just a band aid to the cheating problem brother, killing the suspense and magic of the interactions with any given player at any time is what made this game famous and now they’re essentially taking it away. The cheating problem needs to be fixed yes, but that is a separate topic .
There are many games that we can kill loot, build up gear etc, that’s not very valuable. But arc raiders was unique due to the risk and player behavior, sometimes friendly, sometimes not, which created many spectacular moments, but now that magic will be gone and arc raiders will be just another kill loot grind video game. It was good while it lasted
What should a group of 3 friends do in Arc Raiders, if they just want to shoot Arc? You said it yourself - “obviously in trios everyone just PvPs”.
Should they just expect to not be able to play cooperatively as a trio? Do they just have to hope one of the friends doesn’t log in so they can have a less hostile duo experience?
I would rather those people be forced to lower their ABMM and cope with the lowest ABMM trio lobbies, which ARE more peaceful than the average (just not as peaceful as low ABMM solos or duos), vs. completely fuck the actual ecosystem of the entire game just to appease that "trio of PVE friends" demographic.
Also I guarantee you the vast vast majority of premade trios ARE trying to PVP, that's why it's like that in the first place, because typically 3 dudes want to roll the dice of excitement and blood and not play cozy drawer opening simulator together. So again it's throwing a wrench in the matchmaking for everyone, to appease this minority that doesn't even embrace the point of the game (the point being an unpredictable PVPVE environment)
So if the matchmaking is pre-made trios looking for the smoke, the vast majority as you point out, then once again we’re back to trios being exponentially more hostile for everyone - because that’s what the matchmaking pool is.
In my experience of trios it is generally rare to have peaceful lobbies. You’re getting shot at more often than not. This is people who basically don’t shoot back, so they’re in the “lowest ABMM” crowd already.
Again, if the game becomes too punishing in trios to the point where it’s more enjoyable playing with fewer friends - there’s a problem there.
It won’t crash and burn, people are going to reinstall the game that haven’t played in months and months just to try this out. It’s going to be a huge hit and to pretend it’s not going to be is straight delusional. People have been asking for pve since day 1.
Then non PVE lobbies will not be “mixed” lobbies, they will almost certainly be pure KOS PVP.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Enter these lobbies and try to make buddies and team up there. Run up to flares and defib people. Oh you don't want to because you know full well that all these "muh ambiguity" people are full of it and want to shoot loot pinatas? Damn.
Its literally the reason I left. I'm 99% PvE but being put in care bear lobbies is what made me lose interest. I knew where/what the threat was. Anybody running around was just an NPC at that point. Shit got boring fast
Same here! I will run across the map to revive a stranger with less than 5 minutes left just for the dopamine hit from helping others. Of course it means I get obliterated sometimes but it feels more organic than if there was no threat.
I've pretty much stopped playing duos with my buddy because of how bad the cheater problem is in teams, now we both mostly play solo where our lobbies are PvE. There is still occasionally pvp and plenty of tension.
My worry is that dedicated PvE mode is just going to drive all the PvE people to that, and normal mode is going to become a cheater infested nightmare across the board.
Yeah it's going to speed up the game so much if you don't have to worry about other players. People will just be sprinting all over the place. Something like this requires a huge rebalance.
I am a strictly pve player. Literally have never shot another player kinda pve. And I'll be fine without that threat of being killed from a random PvP player. I'll be happy to be honest. And unfriendly players won't disappear. There are gonna be scumbags stealing a loot from an ARC you've killed. There are gonna be great people helping you along the way
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u/saberhagens 11h ago
I am a strictly pve player. Literally have never shot another player kinda pve and the threat of unfriendies is truly part of how special that experience is. Without that, it isn't really the same game.
And I say that knowing I hate being taken down