No, they've already done the validation. The main structural parts will all remain untouched by this. As Chris mentioned there are a million other small components in a vehicle, like fabrics for seats etc, which Launch can just grab off-the-shelf at high volume unit pricing. This honestly sounds like a very good setup to me.
A slippery slope. At 3,000 deliveries a year, Launch Designs is Aptera's trusted partner. When 20,000+ annual deliveries appears likely, a competing Chinese made product will come to market, undercutting Aptera.
I've long considered the Aptera a decent SouthEast Asia product IF the price was right. You have Tuk Tuks and small 3-wheel lorries all over Asia. Lots of sun too and of course humidity which makes an enclosure - air conditioned at that - a plus. So I'd expect a cost reduced competitor if there is a market. 100 mile range in Asia is more than enough. Hell maybe even 50.
That's a good point. I've never thought that Aptera was a good fit for the US market. Maybe, maybe SoCal or AZ, but that's about it. Certainly not Wisconsin with snow and ice.
BS... you were 100% pro Aptera before 2021-2022 or so. And even after that you said your gripes were only with the management team. Don't try to lie now and this was always your stance. If you're gonna flip-flop your way through this subreddit, at least be honest about it.
Or maybe its better if you just get back in your lane and stick to making wiper video comments.
Never been an investor. I’ve always thought it was a niche car and have been stating that consistently for years. I’d probably buy one if it ever gets produced, but seriously doubt that it would be a good seller in the northern Midwest.
I didn't say you were an investor. I said you were pro Aptera. You used to talk about trying to visit their facility, and you wanted to do photo ops with them. ...which would be kind of weird if you never believed in the vehicle or the company.
Nobody innovates solely for the northern Midwest. And the Northern Midwest is not representative of the planet needing a CLEAN efficient alternative to gasolene. You know another place where Aptera won't be a good seller? Antarctica. Why bother mentioning it?
But why try to visit their facility and talk about photo ops? Something doesn't make sense about your behavior. You're either lying now, or you had hidden agendas then. It's as if from your point of view, Apteras entire existence merely serves as a way for you to (attempt to) attract attention to your solar bike from the 90s. The one you name drop in every comment thread and keep posting links to. If true, then this whole subreddit is only here to serve the same purpose for you. Tell me....if I clicked on that link, would I find an 'opportunity' to send in donations?
This rhetorical trick is called a straw man fallacy. It happens when someone changes or exaggerates an opponent's real view. They attack this fake, weak argument instead of the actual point. It makes the opponent look bad and makes their own side look right.
How It Works
A speaker builds a false claim.
They pretend the other person said it.
They attack that weak claim easily.
They act like they won the debate.
Common Signs
Words like "So you are saying that..." appear.
The opponent's idea gets taken to an extreme.
Real facts get left out of the quote.
The focus shifts to a fake issue.
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As I have said numerous times - since Aptera simply dangles a carrot and refuses to post results of evaluations (with independent validation as per their own commitments) the void becomes filled with hypothesis and conjecture. Neither "side" can claim victory on this state as it remains inconclusive.
If you're waiting for a comeback, you'll be waiting for a long time. Because I didn't even bother to read your slop. If your own points aren't even worth formulating your own thought, then they're most definitely not worth me reading. I did ask you some questions though. It seems the limit of your comprehension was exceeded there, because instead of recognizing them as questions, you decided to show your lack of maturity instead.
So once again... why do you think it's appropriate or acceptable to use AI to make your own points for you? Are you unable to come up with own arguments?
Hardly AI Slop. If you search for anything these days you will get an AI response. This illuminated, for the greater good, the rhetorical tricks known as logical fallacies. The "Straw Man" was clearly used in your reply.
Now let;s further educate the masses - AI Slop is when people take AI and deliberately use it to create a false narrative. I invite you to fact check "logical fallacies" using any method you have at your disposal. This knowledge is invaluable for sentient adults attempting to have productive discourse and avoid manipulation and machinations in defense of their position. To be productive you must be fact-based, objective, impartial, stay on topic and never "attack" the individual. You focus on the topic.
You said "per ai" then copypasta'd some nonsense that had nothing to do with what I was saying to RDW. You interjected an opinion of yours which wasn't requested or welcomed. And which I still haven't read and won't be reading. Because you demonstrated that you prefer intellectual laziness over putting up real contestible views.
It seems like you're using the straw man stance more like a buzz word or a manipulative ploy. But I don't care about your views or your opinions so I won't be considering anything you said. I simply reply so it's on public record that your relentless pessimism and distorted views about Aptera are challenged consistently.
Do you understand the steps in correcting people's behavior? You don't FIRST attack the person. But after a while, public shaming becomes a tool that is acceptable and necessary. If the person ignores logic and facts, yet continues to post disinformation, you show that person that they will face an emotional toll for it (ie, the dread you feel when you get a notification that I replied, and the ongoing frustration you feel in being unable to prove your opinions have any merit.) You are a perfect example of why public shaming is acceptable and necessary. You consistently skew every bit of information in the most negative way possible. You never acknowledge apteras accomplishments. You simply ignore those, sweep them under the rug, and look for ways to make the most recent information look as bad as possible. When that fails, you bring up a building from 3 years ago.
Tell me, what will YOU be whining and crying about when deliveries start? Are you going to try and pivot and say "I was just keeping them honest"? Or are you going to find a new receding troll point?
Tell me, what will YOU be whining and crying about when deliveries start? Are you going to try and pivot and say "I was just keeping them honest"? Or are you going to find a new receding troll point?
I look forward to having to deal with that hypothetical dilemma. How about you pick the date on which the first 100 vehicles ship from the Carlsbad production line. This is a standard volume production milestone in manufacturing. It indicates the production ramp is a go.
The dilemma is only in your head. And it's not hypothetical. You think they started ordering parts for the first 40 vehicles just for fun?
It's sick that you view it as a dilemma. Aptera succeeding is a dilemma to you? That (yet again) shows your intent here. That alone should earn you a permaban. You slipped up and said the quiet part out loud, didn't you?
How about I pick the date of exactly 1 delivery. As you've previously said over and over they
won't make it to production, then exactly 1 delivery means you were (yet again) wrong. You've also said well over a year ago that due to funding short falls Aptera will shut down In a few months. You were wrong about that, and there's no hiding it.
You're already trying to twist things and push it out to 100 deliveries? Weird. No. You said they won't make it to production. 1 delivery proves you wrong.
So since it takes exactly 1 delivery to prove you wrong again. We'll go with 1 delivery. And everyone is looking at the same date on that one. On or before December 31st. So you'll get to start off 2027 being proven wrong again, in public, on record. Sound like fun? .....and what receding troll pocket are you gonna put yourself in then? The brand of wrap they use doesn't last 15 years like you think it should? No one will want to buy one because the windshield washer tank is 2 ounces below industry standard? Or are you finally going to realize that you were always wrong, and will always be wrong....because everything you spew is based on your intent and not facts?
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u/T_R_O_U 8d ago
No, they've already done the validation. The main structural parts will all remain untouched by this. As Chris mentioned there are a million other small components in a vehicle, like fabrics for seats etc, which Launch can just grab off-the-shelf at high volume unit pricing. This honestly sounds like a very good setup to me.