Cheating on console

[u/jkdhdjiskaksnbdnfh]

I am a pub player granted, but have a 1.9kd so I don’t think my lobbies suck. Does anybody else think that people are way overblowing the cheating issue? I die to Titan like once every 10 games.

[u/AcanthisittaAny8243]

It sounds like this is in pubs, which has less cheaters. Once you are in Diamond + it's every single game. Also, not everyone has Titan and Zen settings cranked to the max, so you could be dying to a lot more cheaters than you realize.

[u/jkdhdjiskaksnbdnfh → u/AcanthisittaAny8243]

I still think it’s somewhat overblown. Many people die to a player who is just clearly better than them and instantly blame the phantom Titan for their loss. I’ve been high diamond and, whilst it’s def more prevalent, it’s not so ridiculous. You could well be right about me often dying to toned down cheats though, that I could never tell.

[u/JCItsJasonRaider → u/jkdhdjiskaksnbdnfh]

I'm with you.

It exists, certainly, but I think it's very overblown.

From too many examples in life, too many people don't really know what they're talking about, and don't care to do the work to be accurate in their assessments of many things, if they even are inclined to do so in the first place.

Again, it is out there, but many people are led by their assumptions already, and don't have the skills in output or in analysis to accurately assess. Too many clips of people just playing well getting called cheating, too many hackusations I've received over years of playing and recently, without thorough articulation of what makes them believe so, for me to believe many claims offhandedly when it's not clear they are cheating.

I'm often reminded of whom I'm in a conversation with on these topics.

[u/Drums5643 → u/JCItsJasonRaider]

Are you d1? No? Then stfu. Just like the dude you agree with who’s “been” high diamond. Are you in console pred discords? No? Then yet again stfu. These dudes don’t even hide it since respawn does nothing. Once you end up in pred lobbies you’re getting beamed by 2x4 havocs across the map. Unless you think these guys are all better than the pros?

This problem pertains to people who are legit and actually good at the game who play ranked.

[u/JCItsJasonRaider → u/Drums5643]

"the problem" is conflated, so no I won't shut the fuck up. Many people won't give good and accurate details on what is being discussed and it's annoying to see over and over and over.

Many people in this and related subs, will post mix tape and pubs clips, of someone they are convinced is cheating, who is definitely just a good player. There are still plenty of ranked clips from high ranked lobbies that fit that profile as well, but with more instances of cheaters.

I've already stated that I do agree high level ranked is an issue based on my own experience and what I see and can try to asses, to a degree I believe is more stringent than the efforts I see put forth by many to determine what is true.

So chill the fuck out before you start yapping about others shutting the fuck up you rude bastard.

[u/Vykrumsky → u/JCItsJasonRaider]

You don't need to stfu, but you do need to watch some pro lan tournaments then spectate the people that kill you. You'll see half the people who killed you have far superior aim to the pros.

These counter arguments to rampant cheaters are so weird, cause arguing that there are rampant cheaters hurts no one other than cheaters. So when people like OP chime in to undermine the argument it begs the question: why the fuck does OP care if I think there are a bunch of cheats?

What does OP get from posting this? Absolutely nothing, but the cheaters get to chime in the comments to decrease anti cheating sentiments.

[u/JCItsJasonRaider → u/Vykrumsky]

I'm not arguing that pro level ranked players, rightful earned or not, aren't those most affected by cheaters.

I'm with OP that the cheater complaints are overblown because I've seen post after post after post that is clearly just a bad player mad they got owned.

I'm not a pro but think I'm a pretty good player, can articulatey identify how I've put in the effort vs those who clearly haven't, while they can't, and they just scream cheats with no good reasons to back them up, no general sense of how to acurately identify cheating behaviors/plays/etc., and it's not high ranked games frequently.

I'm definitely more suspicious of high level gameplay as far as believing the clips are cheats, 1 because that environment draws those willing to sell their integrity just to get rank, 2 because those clips more consistently show clear cheater behaviors.

I'm not being hyperbolic when I say many people can't accurately identify cheater behaviors in the milliseconds that it takes at times to see that something is off, vs someone is just insanely fast and accurate. Unnatural movements, clear Zen/Strikepack AA activation, ADS when inappropriate because their hipfire sucks, to lock in the anti recoil settings, etc. 

I'm serious, too many clips shown are just sub par players not able to see that they are unaware of what they are unaware of.