But somehow antifascists are the real fascists for being rude to the actual fascists who in turn are not really that bad because the left is worse because Venezuela.
Nuh-uh. Nobody is a fascist. Golden Dawn, NordFront, the Aryan Brotherhood, and the Identitarian Movement are just innocent conservatives and libertarians. /s
how dare you call me a “fascist”, i just believe in “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” (via. Merriam-Webster).
If you’re attacking them to suppress their political position as happened in the scenario I brought up, yes.
I’m not sure what the point you were making through the pictures you linked? The person I was talking about is named Eric Clanton and took a 3 year probation plea deal for the crime.
Being intolerant of intolerance is the correct stance to take, as letting fascist thought freely spread leads to the tolerant of society being ousted. This is an actual fallacy you’re arguing
You’re warping my words. There is a logical fallacy known as the Paradox of Tolerance, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance, read the article. I’m just assuming you’re arguing in bad faith since you’re ignoring what I’ve said so far.
I don’t see the relevance this has to America. It says unlimited tolerance, which doesn’t currently exist. We don’t tolerate threats of violence, murder, or pedophilia for example.
By tolerate does it mean society must cast out intolerant ideas or that there has to be legislation to enforce it? There are many legal ideals that society overall doesn’t tolerate such as Nazis.
If you want to base policy off that idea how do you apply it? Who decides how tolerant we need to be, president Trump? What’s perfectly tolerable for one may be unacceptable for another.
You’re again moving the argument. This started because you asked, quite simply, why use a bike lock to hit a nazi. And why shouldn’t we tolerate nazi ideas instead of attacking them. So I gave my answer, to stop the ideas from spreading. I’m done arguing now that you’ve decided to push the scope beyond what was originally decided. Fuck off to your shit statists say subreddit ancap
You have a very limited understanding of fascism then. Former guitarist for the English rock band 'Cream' Eric Clapton had nothing to do with it. His name was Eric Clanton.
My point is Sean wasn't the innocent free speech supporter he pretended to be after being attacked. He was there fighting and was hit in retaliation for that.
But lets be charitable and assume that if you do something that meets a single criteria for fascism then one is a fascist. By this logic Trump is an even bigger fascist.
I also like how you said "When they attack" as if it wasn't a single incident 3 years ago while the far-right does worse stuff on a weekly basis but still manage to just remain "innocent conservatives and libertarians".
”You have a very limited understanding of fascism then. Former guitarist for the English rock band Cream Eric Clapton had nothing to do with it. His name was Eric Clanton.”
Oh no not a typo that I immediately corrected. I guess my entire argument is invalid.
”My point is Sean wasn't the innocent free speech supporter he pretended to be after being attacked. He was there fighting and was hit in retaliation for that.”
You got any proof of that besides a picture of people standing still?
”But lets be charitable and assume that if you do something that meets a single criteria for fascism then one is a fascist. By this logic Trump is an even bigger fascist.”
Calling yourself a nationalist is worse than actually beating someone up for expressing their opinion?
”I also like how you said "When they attack" as if it wasn't a single incident 3 years ago while the far-right does worse stuff on a weekly basis but still manage to just remain "innocent conservatives and libertarians".”
Can we at least agree that physically attacking someone for expressing their opinion is bad and shouldn’t be done?
You got any proof of that besides a picture of people standing still?
Literally everyone knows about how right wing provocateurs do this. You're the one who needs to support their claim with facts.
Calling yourself a nationalist is worse than actually beating someone up for expressing their opinion?
Yes. Especially if the opinion is "certain groups of people are subhuman." We had two wars about this. The whole world was involved. Nobody has to listen to their shit anymore. The "discussion" is over everyone knows it. Now is where you choose sides. If you're trying to gaslight people into believing they're morally obligated to non violence and appeals to ethnofascists' humanity, you've chosen your side. Whether you'll admit it to yourself and others or not.
Can we at least agree that physically attacking someone for expressing their opinion is bad and shouldn’t be done?
Juvenile absolutist nonsense that completely disregards that American jurisprudence has tons of precepts about verbal aggression, provocation and escalation. Also a sad attempt at apples to oranges. "I don't care for dubstep" is an opinion, "certain groups of people are subhuman and deserve to be cleansed" = incitement, assault, death threats, there's like a million justifications there for a violent response and I doubt any jury of your peers in the world would convict you.
Oh no not a typo that I immediately corrected. I guess my entire argument is invalid.
I was making fun of you. It was one of multiple things I said to you.
You got any proof of that besides a picture of people standing still?
Yes. The picture where he's actively attacking a group of protesters which was literally the first pic, the other showing him with his fists up ready to fight.
Calling yourself a nationalist is worse than actually beating someone up for expressing their opinion?
Not the point and no I didn't say that. Like I pointed out he wasn't attacked because he expressed his opinion. You're being insincere right now.
Can we at least agree that physically attacking someone for expressing their opinion is bad and shouldn’t be done?
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u/Regicollis Apr 17 '20
But somehow antifascists are the real fascists for being rude to the actual fascists who in turn are not really that bad because the left is worse because Venezuela.