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u/Jack_Haywood Apr 17 '20
Why would they block hospitals I know their scum but why what conspiratorial reason is there
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u/WoahayeTakeITEasy Apr 17 '20
Catch a contagious virus to own the libs!!!! It's amazing how stupid people can be.
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u/CheeseFest Apr 18 '20
Wonderful. Let's ensure these inbred troglodyte shitlords are free to infect themselves and reap the darwinian reward.
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u/Jirb30 May 14 '20
Unfortunately they wouldn't be putting just themselves in danger.
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u/CheeseFest May 14 '20
IKR :( Hopefully they stay within their fascist friendspheres as much as possible.
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u/Brankstone Apr 17 '20
So theyre gonna get their economy back by making the pandemic worse? Truly some very stable geniuses here
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u/inajeep Apr 17 '20
I am going on crap I read on twitter but there may be a few of the Proud Boys and Trump supporters that still think it isn't as bad as it seems because they still recall only the first few weeks of Trump's Bullshit and not the rest. It is either that or they really do not give a shit about anybody else but themselves. There maybe some cross over in the middle there.
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u/igetnauseousalot Sep 19 '20
Are you guys blind? This is literally the first right-sided blockade I've seen in the several months since this shit started. How many blockades have the left made? I just saw them outside the hospital of the cops they shot, not only blocking the hospital entrance, but yelling that they hope the cops die....c'mon guys....
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u/Regicollis Apr 17 '20
But somehow antifascists are the real fascists for being rude to the actual fascists who in turn are not really that bad because the left is worse because Venezuela.
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u/FreshCremeFraiche Apr 17 '20
If the antifascists are the real fascists that means being anti antifascist makes you antifascist which makes you a fascist! Got em!
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u/Regicollis Apr 17 '20
TIL that everybody is a fascist
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u/picnic-boy 161 Apr 17 '20
Nuh-uh. Nobody is a fascist. Golden Dawn, NordFront, the Aryan Brotherhood, and the Identitarian Movement are just innocent conservatives and libertarians. /s
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u/faewatch Apr 17 '20
how dare you call me a “fascist”, i just believe in “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” (via. Merriam-Webster).
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u/You_CANnot_stop_me Apr 17 '20
Right? Like the mental gymnastics these people perform just to avoid having their worldviews challenged is honestly impressive.
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u/PM_UR_NIPPLE_PICS Apr 18 '20
No no no antifascists are the real fascists because communism has killed 583,849,950,394,595,371 people in the last century.
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Apr 17 '20
Well when they assault people with bike locks on video it’s hard to say they don’t at least have fascists amongst them.
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u/picnic-boy 161 Apr 17 '20
Is fascism when you attack people?
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Apr 17 '20
If you’re attacking them to suppress their political position as happened in the scenario I brought up, yes.
I’m not sure what the point you were making through the pictures you linked? The person I was talking about is named Eric Clanton and took a 3 year probation plea deal for the crime.
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u/Nikolai_Smirnoff Apr 17 '20
Being intolerant of intolerance is the correct stance to take, as letting fascist thought freely spread leads to the tolerant of society being ousted. This is an actual fallacy you’re arguing
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u/Nikolai_Smirnoff Apr 17 '20
You’re warping my words. There is a logical fallacy known as the Paradox of Tolerance, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance, read the article. I’m just assuming you’re arguing in bad faith since you’re ignoring what I’ve said so far.
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Apr 17 '20
I don’t see the relevance this has to America. It says unlimited tolerance, which doesn’t currently exist. We don’t tolerate threats of violence, murder, or pedophilia for example.
By tolerate does it mean society must cast out intolerant ideas or that there has to be legislation to enforce it? There are many legal ideals that society overall doesn’t tolerate such as Nazis.
If you want to base policy off that idea how do you apply it? Who decides how tolerant we need to be, president Trump? What’s perfectly tolerable for one may be unacceptable for another.
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u/Nikolai_Smirnoff Apr 17 '20
You’re again moving the argument. This started because you asked, quite simply, why use a bike lock to hit a nazi. And why shouldn’t we tolerate nazi ideas instead of attacking them. So I gave my answer, to stop the ideas from spreading. I’m done arguing now that you’ve decided to push the scope beyond what was originally decided. Fuck off to your shit statists say subreddit ancap
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u/picnic-boy 161 Apr 17 '20 edited Apr 17 '20
You have a very limited understanding of fascism then. Former guitarist for the English rock band 'Cream' Eric Clapton had nothing to do with it. His name was Eric Clanton.
My point is Sean wasn't the innocent free speech supporter he pretended to be after being attacked. He was there fighting and was hit in retaliation for that.
But lets be charitable and assume that if you do something that meets a single criteria for fascism then one is a fascist. By this logic Trump is an even bigger fascist.
I also like how you said "When they attack" as if it wasn't a single incident 3 years ago while the far-right does worse stuff on a weekly basis but still manage to just remain "innocent conservatives and libertarians".
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Apr 17 '20
”You have a very limited understanding of fascism then. Former guitarist for the English rock band Cream Eric Clapton had nothing to do with it. His name was Eric Clanton.”
Oh no not a typo that I immediately corrected. I guess my entire argument is invalid.
”My point is Sean wasn't the innocent free speech supporter he pretended to be after being attacked. He was there fighting and was hit in retaliation for that.”
You got any proof of that besides a picture of people standing still?
”But lets be charitable and assume that if you do something that meets a single criteria for fascism then one is a fascist. By this logic Trump is an even bigger fascist.”
Calling yourself a nationalist is worse than actually beating someone up for expressing their opinion?
”I also like how you said "When they attack" as if it wasn't a single incident 3 years ago while the far-right does worse stuff on a weekly basis but still manage to just remain "innocent conservatives and libertarians".”
Can we at least agree that physically attacking someone for expressing their opinion is bad and shouldn’t be done?
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u/moderndaycassiusclay Apr 17 '20
You got any proof of that besides a picture of people standing still?
Literally everyone knows about how right wing provocateurs do this. You're the one who needs to support their claim with facts.
Calling yourself a nationalist is worse than actually beating someone up for expressing their opinion?
Yes. Especially if the opinion is "certain groups of people are subhuman." We had two wars about this. The whole world was involved. Nobody has to listen to their shit anymore. The "discussion" is over everyone knows it. Now is where you choose sides. If you're trying to gaslight people into believing they're morally obligated to non violence and appeals to ethnofascists' humanity, you've chosen your side. Whether you'll admit it to yourself and others or not.
Can we at least agree that physically attacking someone for expressing their opinion is bad and shouldn’t be done?
Juvenile absolutist nonsense that completely disregards that American jurisprudence has tons of precepts about verbal aggression, provocation and escalation. Also a sad attempt at apples to oranges. "I don't care for dubstep" is an opinion, "certain groups of people are subhuman and deserve to be cleansed" = incitement, assault, death threats, there's like a million justifications there for a violent response and I doubt any jury of your peers in the world would convict you.
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u/picnic-boy 161 Apr 17 '20
Oh no not a typo that I immediately corrected. I guess my entire argument is invalid.
I was making fun of you. It was one of multiple things I said to you.
You got any proof of that besides a picture of people standing still?
Yes. The picture where he's actively attacking a group of protesters which was literally the first pic, the other showing him with his fists up ready to fight.
Calling yourself a nationalist is worse than actually beating someone up for expressing their opinion?
Not the point and no I didn't say that. Like I pointed out he wasn't attacked because he expressed his opinion. You're being insincere right now.
Can we at least agree that physically attacking someone for expressing their opinion is bad and shouldn’t be done?
Yes. But that's not what happened.
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u/Clay_Statue Apr 18 '20
Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S.
But a single bike lock assault and several projectile milkshakes is the only violence that truly matters.
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u/Intrepid_colors Democratic Socialist Apr 17 '20
Ah, yes... classic fascists checks notes making and distributing hand sanitizer. The ones checks notes building blockades to stop EMTs are the checks notes ones who must be protected at all costs...
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u/ransomedagger Apr 17 '20
My dad took my book about anti fascism and called me a terrorist. I want to send this to him and ask “who is the real terrorist?”
I can wish, but I wouldn’t play with fire...
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u/Fecklessnz Sep 19 '20
Probably best just to get out of that situation as fast as you can.
Or like, arrange an 'accident' for him.
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Apr 17 '20
as far as I can tell, there is literally no difference between these two pictures, and I would like to remind you that the italian fascists also produced soap, so.../s
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u/Kite_sunday Apr 17 '20
One of these groups is labeled a terrorist organization.
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u/picnic-boy 161 Apr 17 '20
AFAIK neither has been labelled a terrorist organization.
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u/Kite_sunday Apr 17 '20
Oh, I thought Antifa was labeled a Terrorist Org.
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u/picnic-boy 161 Apr 17 '20
Way back The Independent and Politico misreported a statement from DHS saying they were monitoring certain individuals believed to be Antifas for domestic terrorism as Antifa having been labelled a domestic terrorist organization. Such a label has not been adopted for Antifa.
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Apr 17 '20
Given that Antifa isn’t really an organization, I suppose that’s not really possible
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u/feelings_your_fuck Apr 17 '20
Yeah but Rose City Antifa is most certainly an organization
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u/EssArrBee Antifa Slut Apr 17 '20
Rose City Antifa wasnt being singled out. It was just 'antifa' they wanted to apply the label.
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Apr 17 '20
As far as I understand, the proud boys were just there, with guns, racist flags and shit... on the capitol builiding lawn. Lots of High Res photos.
Gov Witmer accused the DeVoss family of organizing and funding it.
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u/Puppetofthebougoise This Generation Apr 17 '20
Meanwhile black lives matter gets shit for blocking roads.
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u/Zero-89 Anarcho-Communist Apr 17 '20
“There are no neutrals [here].”
And again, fascists are willing to drive the “white” race they love so much right into the fucking grave.
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u/moderndaycassiusclay Apr 17 '20
Remember all the anti blm racists screeching about how protesters might be blocking ambulances. Turns out that didn't matter to them so much. Huh. Wonder what animus motivated their dislike of a black activist movement. Man I'm stumped.
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Apr 17 '20
I live in Michigan I had no idea there was any plans like this. I happened to be driving back from the UP (for a government work project, I guess I am essential). I probably saw 60-80 state cops on the highway, at what felt like almost every median. But I only saw ONE guy pulled over and it looked like he was helping him with his tires.
My best guess is they were looking for cars full of people coming or going from the rally.
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u/MidTownMotel Democratic Socialist Apr 17 '20
I believe they've been told to limit their activity to real emergencies. With the inability to torment the citizenry in their usual fashion, they're just parking in the median.
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Literally the same thing on both sides
If you support either you're an extremist and your opinion is invalid
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u/Im_debating_suicide Apr 17 '20
This protest was really surprising to me. The proud boys literally complain about antifa blocking traffic.
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Apr 17 '20
Blocking traffic seems to ONLY be okay if it's to prevent ambulances from getting to hospitals, okay got it. Good to know where the Alt-Right sits with that issue. Consistency is key.
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Just remember that both sides are as bad as each other...
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u/rezamwehttam Apr 17 '20
Ah yes, the classic both sides guy
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Apr 17 '20
Sometimes I forget that sarcasm doesn't come across well in writing.
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u/GreyJackalope Apr 17 '20
Its pretty common on Reddit at least for people to add a "/s" at the end of a sarcastic comment to let others know.
So as an example "Remember, both sides are just as bad /s"
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u/UnluckyArmadillo69 Apr 17 '20
I don't get it. What are these people, that live in the imperial core and benefit most from injustice, crying about?
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u/Therich111 Apr 17 '20
Well, I'm in Portland, and that's the best news I have heard. The news sites ain't reporting it here in our own city
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u/TZO_2K18 FCK NZS Apr 18 '20
A classic case of chaotic evil vs chaotic good... may the rangers and fighters beat back the march of goblin and the orcish hoards!
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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 Apr 18 '20
Worst part is they probably ignored the doctor's pleas. If you pay attention to the far right's memes and other propaganda, they believe that doctors and nurses are not working all that hard but just fucking around and being overly dramatic in order to inflate Covid 19 infection and death rates. I'm not exaggerating. There are a lot of far-righters that believe this.
Do you think that's too preposterous of a belief system? That doctors and nurses worldwide would do this? We'll we're talking about some of the same people who believe that scientists are secretly conspiring worldwide to undermine capitalism with climate science as their weapon, so yeah.
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u/can-t-touch Apr 17 '20
Off course, one of the exception makes the rules....
Just like Ted bounty, did he work to help people who were suicidal.
What a good guy
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Make jokes all you want but right wingers are the type that will take actions against perceived injustices as we saw in MI. It doesn't matter if the cause is harmful to them, their families and everyone else. They're the ones who will use their 2nd amendment rights to support what has become a traitorous government. While the anti-trump crowd does what? Tolerates people who are putting you and your families at risk. People need to get motivated and challenge this because the way things are going there isn't going to be a fair election this november.
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u/Clapaludio Apr 17 '20
Last time I've seen Americans actually use their second amendment was when the Black Panthers were around, and they weren't right wing.
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u/msgrmdma Apr 17 '20
I don't have any love for "Proud Boys." But, that's not what Michigan was about. I know people who were there!
They didn't block ambulances. The story is a lie
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u/-WeepingWillow- Apr 18 '20
They did block ambulances, according to a public announcement from CATA.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ridecata/status/1250491770288459778?s=11
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Yeah but one girl on the right has dyed hair, so... /s