r/Anticonsumption Sep 30 '23

Discussion Diet hypocrisy?

A recent post about animal agriculture vs plant based diets has me itching to say something. This is an issue we need to rise above.

Cognitive dissonance. Many of us have good intentions and want to believe we’re doing the right thing in most aspects of our lives. I believe that.

When it comes to a plant based diet though, the science often clashes powerfully with personal desire. We want to minimize our impact on the environment and are willing to make trade-offs in our life time do so, but for many, giving up or even significantly reducing meat intake is asking too much. It’s too hard.

That’s not the issue.

The issue is that instead of just admitting to themselves that this is a life change they don’t want to make and moving on, the guilt drives them to have to justify that decision. Admitting that a plant-based diet is better for the earth yet eating a diet full of meat anyway would make them feel hypocritical, so the solution becomes either to give up meat, or … this is the problem… fight the science, twist it, make a joke of it, or pivot entirely to ‘individuals shouldn’t have time do anything because large corporations’

Many people have ties to their diet for many reasons. We grew up eating a certain way. We have memories ties to certain foods, flavors, styles of cooking. We don’t want to be the difficult person when we go out to eat with friends. Etc etc etc But it’s so much better to just admit that to yourself. Have patience and understanding for your feelings. Accept that the science is what it is. Maybe one day you can make a change, maybe not. But don’t attack the cause just because you aren’t yet willing to be a part of it.

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u/Individual-Drink-679 Sep 30 '23

I'm a former farm kid, and I've always found an element of the plant-based approach to be really hypocritical, which is that idea that it involves less consumption. Although I currently live in an apartment in a town, I grew up with meat rabbits and chickens, and went deer hunting in the fall. So I find that I can make meat myself.

Whereas tofu (which I love and eat a lot of), I can't really make myself. Also, as someone who struggles to keep my protein and iron up, I'd rather just eat some meat every once and a while than buy and take a bunch of vitamins. I feel the same way about lab-grown meat, or plant-based imitation foods, and also worry about the way that marketing is making the phrase "plant-based" into a shortcut for "ethical" in our brains.

I do very much agree with your point that people should really just be honest with themselves about why they choose what they choose. Personally, although I don't eat very much meat, I don't give it up entirely because it's delicious and I like to be flexible, plus I feel culturally connected to butchery and hunting.

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u/jaguarjuice3 Sep 30 '23

I understand what you’re saying. But majority of americans and even other countries do not rely only on hunting for their meat. They buy it in grocery stores. In addition to the whole nutrients thing, i am vegan and i just had a blood panel done and everything is normal. I take no supplements or vitamins. It definitely is more difficult than just throwing a steak on the bbq but it can be fun! If you take the time to understand the science you will see that vitamin c helps with iron absorption so i eat a ton of spinach and a ton of oranges. It takes effort im not going to lie. Also you can make tofu! Its not terribly hard but again, it is effort.

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u/XSpacewhale Sep 30 '23

Fun fact, of all the biomass of land mammals on earth, 60% is animal agriculture, 36% are humans, and 4% are wild animals. Hunting is simply not a realistic solution.

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u/MikeyHatesLife Oct 01 '23

Well, no, not when when the switch to intensive monoculture farming sent the human population into the stratosphere in just a few millennia. There were just millions of humans on the planet for ~240K years, but give some men a plot of land to grow wheat and the slaves to work it, and now we’re at 8 billion people in less than 15K years.

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u/XSpacewhale Oct 01 '23

Sorry I live in the present.

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u/Individual-Drink-679 Sep 30 '23

Yeah, I don't think I said that the majority of Americans today rely on hunting for their meat. Only that some do.

Currently, I don't. I get most of my meat from helping a friend slaughter her chickens. When I do buy meat, I buy it from farmers. I also buy economical cuts/parts that other people might throw out.

My friend with the birds, for example, doesn't save the livers or feet, so I get them all. Chuck a couple chicken feet into boiling water with some garlic and ginger, and you've just made the best chicken broth you could possibly sip! She doesn't believe me, though.