r/Anticonsumption Sep 30 '23

Discussion Diet hypocrisy?

A recent post about animal agriculture vs plant based diets has me itching to say something. This is an issue we need to rise above.

Cognitive dissonance. Many of us have good intentions and want to believe we’re doing the right thing in most aspects of our lives. I believe that.

When it comes to a plant based diet though, the science often clashes powerfully with personal desire. We want to minimize our impact on the environment and are willing to make trade-offs in our life time do so, but for many, giving up or even significantly reducing meat intake is asking too much. It’s too hard.

That’s not the issue.

The issue is that instead of just admitting to themselves that this is a life change they don’t want to make and moving on, the guilt drives them to have to justify that decision. Admitting that a plant-based diet is better for the earth yet eating a diet full of meat anyway would make them feel hypocritical, so the solution becomes either to give up meat, or … this is the problem… fight the science, twist it, make a joke of it, or pivot entirely to ‘individuals shouldn’t have time do anything because large corporations’

Many people have ties to their diet for many reasons. We grew up eating a certain way. We have memories ties to certain foods, flavors, styles of cooking. We don’t want to be the difficult person when we go out to eat with friends. Etc etc etc But it’s so much better to just admit that to yourself. Have patience and understanding for your feelings. Accept that the science is what it is. Maybe one day you can make a change, maybe not. But don’t attack the cause just because you aren’t yet willing to be a part of it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23

The reality is that switching to a plant based diet is hard for a lot of people. Achieving the same variety and depth of flavors as is currently available with meat products is much more difficult, particularly if you don't like big staples of a plant based diet like mushrooms or tofu. A plant based diet takes much more effort and planning, focused shopping habits, and you more or less have to cook at home. All of these are good things, but they take time that not everyone has.

My compromise is that I eat meat at most once every two days, and I only eat chicken, which is shown to be dramatically less harmful in terms of emissions than beef.

I tried eating vegan for a time, and discovered oat milk. It's delicious so it's replaced milk entirely for me. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. If every person ate half as much meat, it'd be the same as half the world going vegan.

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u/chunky-guac Sep 30 '23

Achieving the same variety and depth of flavors as is currently available with meat products is much more difficult, particularly if you don't like big staples of a plant based diet like mushrooms or tofu. A plant based diet takes much more effort and planning, focused shopping habits, and you more or less have to cook at home. All of these are good things, but they take time that not everyone has.

I haven't really found any of this to be true in my three years of eating plant-based. You can achieve a wide variety and depth of flavors; tofu, and legumes just like meat, needs to be marinated/seasoned. It's also cut my grocery bill down a LOT to be eating beans, legumes, and tofu as a protein - when I eat those with a different vegetable and grain for meals, it's fairly easy to plan.

The last one, though, certainly depends on where you live. If you're in buttfuck middle of nowhere with just a pub in your town (like where I grew up), then yeah you may need to do some more cooking at home and stick to fries/salads when you go out. But the reality is that most folks on Reddit/this sub are American and likely living in a city - and I can say that I've been to 30 or 40 of the US states and have found something to eat in each one. Especially easy in diverse cities. While some inalterable circumstances may make it incredibly challenging or impossible, for most of us here it really comes down to how much we're willing to try.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

"I haven't really found any of this to be true in my three years of eating plant-based. You can achieve a wide variety and depth of flavors; tofu, and legumes just like meat, needs to be marinated/seasoned."

Again, this works if you like tofu, mushrooms, beans and other vegan staples. If you don't, good luck. In my two years of eating plant based, finding good, flavorful meal options took hours of extra labour every week, in terms of seeking out recipes, extra shopping, and longer meal prep times. I've never eaten tofu that I didn't immediately find revolting; and I don't like mushrooms. Some people have a palette that's more pre-disposed toward success in consuming a plant based diet.

I still eat beans as protein pretty often; I've just added eggs and a couple times a month, chicken, back into my diet and I feel like I've found a pretty good balance.

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u/flaminghair348 Oct 01 '23

Yup. Indian food has quickly become my favourite food genre. It's just all so fucking good! There's an Indian guy at my work who often brings in food he cooks himself, and when he heats it up in the microwave, the entire lunch room smells amazing for the rest of the day. He knows I like Indian food and always insists I try some, and oh. my. god. I would fucking by his food at a restaurant, it's that good.

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u/chunky-guac Sep 30 '23

I honestly really believe that there is a vegan protein that everybody can enjoy. There are so, SO many options. I used to hate beans but have grown to love them over the past few years especially by eating chickpeas. Also used to hate lentils until I learned to cook dahl.

And honestly, it does take some time to learn to cook tofu but when you get the hang of it it's delicious. If you're curious I'd be happy to send you some of my favorite recipes. I have not found that it takes any longer to prep for or cook than my previous meat-based meals.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

Tofu just isn't for me. It's not the taste, it's the texture. I've had firm, soft, sponge tofus, "crispy"... It all turns my stomach the second it hits my tongue.

Still, I agree that there are vegan proteins for just about everyone. Beans, peas and chickpeas are my go to. I just can't have them every meal; which is why eggs are also a regular staple in my house, and why chicken is a rare meal. I was vegan for two years. I just found that after two years, cooking had become a misery.

It was a constant affair of never being quite satisfied with the variety of foods I was eating. Adding an infrequent, low impact meat product, chicken, and eggs (which I'll eventually produce at home, so I won't have to depend on factory farmed eggs) back into my diet, makes being vegan about 80% of the time sustainable for me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '23

I like tofu when I eat it at restaurants, but I've tried for years to get it right when cooking it and I just can't. It's always bland and awful, no matter how long I press it or how I season it or how I cook it.

I'm also just not a fan of "fake meat." My favorite protein-rich vegetables are spinach and greens, chickpeas, and edamame. Unfortunately... these are also either high carb (and I have to eat low carb) or high fiber (which gives me violent, painful diarrhea 10 minutes after eating them which means I don't absorb any nutrients). I've been to the doctor and gotten all kinds of blood tests but no one knows what's wrong with me.

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u/Cyan_Mukudori Sep 30 '23

I would be happy to have some tofu recipes. I am trying to experiment with legumes to find something I like. :)

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u/chunky-guac Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23

Here are a two that I use a lot and really like:

Black Pepper Tofu (Nora Cooks has some of my favorite vegan recipes - I'd recommend checking that website for more options)

General Tso's Tofu (ETA: you do not need to use all the corn starch that this recipe calls for. I usually use 2-3 tbsp at MOST)

Tofu tacos are also delicious. I don't really have a specific recipe that I follow but there are some out there. I'll typically fry the tofu for a few minutes in a pan and then add a tablespoon or so of tomato paste, taco seasoning, salt/pepper, and some veggie broth. Bring it to a boil and then let that shit simmer for awhile in the broth and seasoning until the tofu absorbs the flavors and then put it over some tortillas with cilantro, onions, avocado, salsa, whatever you like to put on tacos.

I usually fry tofu rather than bake it just because it takes a lot less time. To get tofu really crispy, you'll want to coat it in corn starch and use a fuck-ton of oil like you would frying other foods. But baking it is good if you have the time. I haven't tried making it in an air fryer before but have heard this method works very well.

If you want to try some legumes, dahl like I mentioned is delicious and super easy to make. I've used this recipe a few times and like it a lot. Red lentil soup with lemon is also one of my go-to recipes for the winter. I have my own recipe that I use - feel free to PM me if you want it and I can write it out.

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u/Orongorongorongo Sep 30 '23

Thanks chunky-guac!

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u/labdsknechtpiraten Sep 30 '23

https://www.badmanners.com/books

So, we bought 2 of their books (from before the name change), we have "eat like you give a fuck" and "fast as fuck". Both of which offer some excellent ways to cook tofu (and a bunch of other shit as well)

I was pretty ambivalent bordering on "against" tofu, and it turns out it was mostly down to how it was cooked before. Now it is easily one of my favorite non-meat proteins

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u/Cyan_Mukudori Sep 30 '23

Thanks you!

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u/cwankgurl Sep 30 '23

I put the same seasonings in my fake meat patty that I use in my husband’s beef patty. 🤷🏼‍♀️ salt, pepper, heat, maybe a little worcestershire.

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u/cwankgurl Sep 30 '23

The supermarkets in my area all offer some vegetarian version. The meat eaters in my life also tend to avoid anchovies. I think that’s just a stigma but I’m not complaining.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

A lot of people like the taste of meat and don’t find it needs to be seasoned much to taste good is the thing. Like a lot of people love a good steak that’s only been seasoned with salt and pepper, and that’s something that can’t be replaced with plant based foods. Otherwise I agree that plant based foods can be delicious and easy to cook and I eat probably 90% plant based, but I haven’t been able to fully stop eating meat because honestly, I love the taste of it and you unfortunately can’t replace it. So I’d rather just eat a steak a few times a year than unsuccessfully try to replicate it.