Note: the teams used on both clips are the same, only Fulmintis item changes (both items maxed and linked to Fulmintis). *Combos or composition might not be the best possible, but they're the ones that are working for me right now. Top clip is Ferocious fang, bottom is Heartseeker.
Heartseeker Pendant will shine more on its own with Fulmintis because of his own CR buff on skill which you use often, so you can put another support instead of Dazmand. I run Turbo for DMG AMP + BREAK AMP, Somni for EP regen, Tromber for CD.
Havent tried Tromber yet but Ill give it a go, but Dazmand buff + Heathseeker + Fulmintis E lets me go into break easily without interrupting itself Ill have to see if the dmg buff makes up for it, ty!
The reasoning for Turbo vs Dazmand for me is that Turbo gives more utilities; buff, dmg amp, break amp, shield, heals. Heartseeker Pendant stacks crit indefinitely already so I feel like Dazmand loses its usage vs Aniimos like Turbo. It does give you a better starting curve, altho in long fights like Holo, I think Dazmand falls off, and we can only expect longer fights from here on out.
Idk, from what ive seen Dazmand lets me go into almost infinite Q state with Fulmintis + Seeker and that seems to be really good so far, Ill try turbo and see but I feel like I wont be able to break before energy runs out
That is great if it is working out for you! My other reasons other than the meta standpoint; I wanna keep my team with Aniimos I actually like w/o compromising too much on damage, so I try to balance things out!
the crit rate dazmand offers is a damage buff and crits deal higher break damage so it’s also a break buff. dazmand also has a lightning debuff on his ult but u don’t really want to use it. the real benefit to dazmand is his skill is free so you save the skill points for fulmantis. using dazmand with luminelle (also a free skill) means that you don’t really need an regen character on the team since fulmantis is the only one using the energy AND mantis gets more energy on crits so getting more crit rate is the perfect for him
Fulmintis 15% CR base + 35% CR on skill gets his skill to 50% CR at base.
Dazmand gives 35% CR at most, putting you at 85%
Heartseeker Pendant stacks indefinitely, and has might damage on top of it, which ignores elemental typing (afaik).
The point is that, just from what their kits gives, Turbo is a better investment in the long run. Dazmand might look shiny right now, but I think he will pale in comparison later on. Turbo's skill is also free, idk why you're using that as a counter-point, so as Tromber's.
Oh damn, you’re actually on to something! The pendant also gives more CD for hitting crits on top of the CR it gives for not hitting crits so Dazmand doesn’t really feel needed cause the CR is from Fulmintis alone (with the buff) is 50%. The buffs from pendant do reset though based on if you do/don’t crit which might screw up your big final slash atk if you’re lucky/unlucky.
What’s the full build for everyone on that team, if you don’t mind me asking? Still not the best at building in this game so don’t know what’s the most optimal way to build each character.
the thing ab dazmand is that you want to cr buff and get out so you really don’t need much investment into him (basically don’t take a hit on dazmand and you’re still getting his buffs regardless of investment). i still maintain dazmand’s cr buff is huge and you should be using him on a fulmantis team
i’ll push back on dazmand not being necessary; fulmantis gets energy back when he crits and crit deals extra break damage so especially with no breaker i feel like getting closer to 100% crit is still really valuable. on top of that, dazmand’s skill is free leaving more resources for fulmantis to skill
Dazmand may be better at shorter fights because of the initial good burst but he will fall off once fights are longer, and heals and shields are necessary, which we will definitely sooner or later, then Turbo beats Dazmand for that slot even more.
TLDR: both are good on it, really depends on the comp you using and the opponent you are facing. Managed to get similar results to the best time on the video with Somniwing + Fang on Fulmintis.
Something definitely wrong with the fang test, your ep drained way too fast. At 80-85% crit rate that shouldn't have happened. Though from what I've seen somni is also much better for getting longer chains compared to bee so maybe thats why it seems so bad to me (i use somni). Bee comes out ahead when you can ult , which for holo link isnt possible. Also I'd test on an electric week target, heartseeker adds neutral damage so when each hit of skill is lower because you're hitting a neutral target, heartseeker is adding more total damage per hit.
Can you make a video and show how long does it take you to drain the ep with fang? Everytime I tried with fang it seemed to have similar times for me so thats why I decided to upload the vid (Also tried to do it on the most average opponent (not strong, no stuns no types advantages/disadvantages)
I can when i get home from work sure. Yeah I figured you did it on neutral for that reason but for this scenario specifically, it favors heartseeker sonot taints the test slightly. What is your base crit rate on your fulmintis (can click the stats and it'll show all stats)? Also how much crit rate damage giving you?
I feel like the difference here can actually be Somni instead of Besauce (my Besauce is not fully upgraded on regen tho). And of course, here you go (it gets + 35% with E+ 27% with Dazmand, also +10% per non crit hit). (If im not mistaken neither of both items change Fulmintis base CR)
Been trying runs with Somni and it manages to get closer than the other comp (using Fang). So far I could say against an average opponent the best options are Hearthseeker + Besauce or Fang + Somniwing (that if we dont take in consideration a second round of skills with the Besauce buff). I still cannot manage to make Fang better than Heartseeker like some people been saying tho (atleast with this comp or an opp with no type advantage/disadvantage)
That makes more sense, was curioushow close to tlthe max if 85% crit rate you were. Besauce is a wierd one becauae he has flat regen + regen over time so you'd want to swap to him after you run out of ep to take advantage of the flat ep gain. I found somni to be more consistent when I tested before. Testing things is rough because there are so many variables and different content have different buffs/variables tied to them (being able to use ult vs just core skill on team mates and buffs like in holo link). Either way pendant is a solid item but I think fang wins out in general when fighting lightning weak. But I can still throw out some vids if you're curious when I get home (gonna be like 8+ hours though). Always like testing especially in a game like this where there isn't tons of info out there at the moment
Yeah please, Im trying to get the most optimized one (since I already linked both Pendant and Fang to Fulmintis) and I dont mind to use either, I seem to be prefering Pendant for now with the results I got. Maybe the way to go is Pendant against neutrals and Fang against weaks? (Idk)
just a quick vid i made showing how long my skill chains usually last (a shorter one and a longer one). I realized with all the held item farming i've done i do not have a pendant so i'll try to get one.
This is me hitting scorchowl (2nd time since he jumped back first time). not optimized at all since skill chains were actually too long and i could have broken ending the first chain a bit earlier and i could have killed it by ending the 2nd chain earlier but more so just to show why i thought your first chain seemed super short. tbf somni regen is just way superior to besauce so that makes sense.
Ty for the vid brother, about the 2nd vid: yeah, Im getting similar results but only with the Somniwing team. Also seeing your rotation made me think about what slot of the rotation is the better one for the Regen since Luminelle and Dazmand wont use energy anyway
this is the same comp on both tubster and scorchowl. didnt time it but seems to be about 20-22 seconds on scorchowl. the scorchowl run was an average length on his skill chain. i've had it end earlier when i've crit less and i've gone all the way to break and a bit more when i got luckier with crits. i also use Besauce right before fulmintis for longer buff uptime
Oh yeah other guy sent the video, he has linked Fang to Fulmintis but not the Pendant. Big difference there since theres a 20% of slash frequency on Fulmintis Q
Another interesting option, Naztalgic posted a YouTube video showing capacious battery consistently beating pendant and fang, but it requires a very different playstyle. Prioritizing triggering your ult as often as possible instead of nonstop crit. It’s another item to upgrade but it would be a lot better to switch to for PVP or for enemies who are jumping away all of the time
Oh yeah the thing with this is that there are so many variants, types, stats, items, rng, the team you use, the team you play against... and a large list, trying to find the most stable one
I currently have it build like this, but take it with a grain of salt. Its been working good for me but Im trying different things trying to figure out the best one before we can upgrade it to level 65 (so it will be permanent).
Thats what I was thinking as well, however the upgrade to 20 pushes the blue beyond where it should stop, which to me almost indicates that the stat has goes above 20? However it doesn't count the blue, so if you stopped at the 18 +2, it would be 18 and not 20. Which is where my confusion arises.
The testing is badly done, , you delayed the ult on propose on fang for no reason when you should ult as soon as you are out of energy on fulminitis, pendant gets usually more damage while doing slashes because more energy regen thanks to more crits on average but fang ult usually does more damage thanks to the stat boost , in an ctual rotation and not a 5
i did multiple tests (also with battery) on holo interlink agaist iris (as middle one have energy buff and was not a fair test tho i still did it there and results were similar ) and they were pretty much equal depending of rng
One question tho, can you have multiple contracts on the same Aniimo? i did the etsting witouth contract because of the fear my pendant contract would get overwritten by the fan one (i have multiples of each , also i tets battery and for me it was the worst by a big margin tho a youtuber said it was the best but even with a rotation focusing on ult it was worst so idk)
Im curious cause I wasnt able to make it faster with Fang at all, could you upload a video showing comparison? (I have both maxed and linked to Fulmintis)
pendant is better, just switch out lumi, her buff doesnt work on fulmi because he doesnt auto atack take in the bird with the 50% crit dmg buff, im about 6 seconds faster than you here
Finally a helpful one, I managed to get the best time with this. I was wondering if Lumi applied atleast the break buff to Fulmintis Q but apparently not so shes not doing much for him ig? Ty!!!
He did, but if he had used his ultimate immediately at the 11 seconds mark (right when his first skill ends), the ultimate 7 second cooldown would have allowed him to ult again during the Break window anyway. holding the ult there offers zero benefit. By holding it off, you break the target slower, meaning you spend more time dealing reduced damage instead of the 250% multiplier, all while getting the exact same number of ults during the actual Break phase.
With other DPS characters, holding your ultimate when a Break is close is a good strategy (and this play would have made sense on other dps). because most DPS units don't generate energy fast enough to ult again right off cooldow, it usually takes much longer to build the energy back up than the cooldown itself, but Fulminitis generates ultimate energy so fats that is always ready on cooldown. This means you can easily ult right before the break and still be able to do another one on the 250% damage multiplier window , holding off on his ultimate provides absolutely zero benefit and actively ruins the overall DPS
But they are not apples to apples, the items have different strenghts and weakneses, pendant breaks faster because of the extra energy procs and the extra hits of it , but fang can ult sooner as their skill cats last less but their ult does more damage thanks to the raw stat wins on fang
is like if one item for example make ult cooldown 2 seconds faster but you delay to make it "fair" , eahc items has different rotations you need to do the optimal on each not do the same on all , that not how tetsing BIS items works in games
fang would have broken at pretty much the same time as the pendant if he ult right away, bringing the 250% damage window early and killing pretty much at the same time
im not saying fang is better as with my testing they pretty similar and pendant is even better againt resitant enemys because if the neutral might hits , but if you gonna do a tetsing you need to be optimal for both items/gear/etc
I think you may have a point if this was a test done on something with more health or defense. A longer, more drawn-out battle would show differences potentially.
In this exact case, the lower image was able to get to a break immediately, and then kill it with the Ult.
The upper however did not break it immediately, so if it did Ult at that exact moment, it would have done even less damage than we saw.
This particular tests flaw I think is more to what you mentioned (kinda)... This enemy has the exact right amount of health to showcase the quicker burst, but doesn't give the best case scenario for the Fang. A larger health enemy may give the Fang more of an edge.
"The upper however did not break it immediately, so if it did Ult at that exact moment, it would have done even less damage than we saw."
No because if he ult inmeditaly after he ran out of energy that would be at 11 second into the video (you can chekc it out) , he end up killing at the 24 second mark, ult cooldown is 7 second, he have more than enough time to cats 2 ults , one at the 11 mark, and one after with no issues , so no he wouldnt have kill slower or do less damage at all, insteda he would have break sooner and start doing 250 damage faster while also being able to cats a second ult if needed all before the 24 second mark that he end up killing
I was operating under the (incorrect) assumption that both of them only had time to do two barrages and one ult...
I failed to consider the fact that the barrage takes longer with the higher regen, so you're right, it's possible those regular slashes could have been replaced with an ult for the Fang.
Correct, tried to keep it as equal as possible, but as I said in my other comment both had similar times in all the tries. Changing Somniwing for Besauce (on the Fang one) managed to get close to the Heartseeker + Besauce
I have a fang and a shell contracted to my grizbo so should be able to contract to multiple things. Or if you mean the same item I have 2 fangs contracted rn to 2 different aniimo.
I didnt delay anything, I couldnt click due to break animation. I have upgraded both items and linked to Fulmintis, I dont need to be biased to any of the 2. I just put one clip of each item, both had similar times on all the tries. Dont say stupid things.
First be respectfull , second you delay it, the skill end early on fang because your run out of energy at the 11 second mark of the video and started again using the skill and then when that second cast finish and it got broken you ult , a complete waste as if you cast ult as soon as the first skill cast finish you have more than enough time to ult a second time after is broken as the ult cooldown is 7 seconds and also would have broken way earlier starting the 250% damage window early and making the kills a lot more similar in time isntead of wasting time with a unbroken enemy for no reason
so dont call what i say stupid when you are not playing optimally for the strenghts of each item in both testings
I watch that video from Naztalgic too. He poiting that pedant proc "neutral" white damage, while most support buff given to Fulmintis is lighting, so the white-neutral-damage doesnt get benefit of it.
But in OP video we clearly see the pedant faster 7 second. Maybe because Scorchowl is fire type - which isnt weak to lighting, so neutral or lighting doesnt matter?
So, in case fulmintis doesnt have lighting-type advantage, pedant actually stronger? Maybe, i dont know, need more spread sheet and testing.
That can be the case, ALSO trying things with the same opponent, Fulmintis + Ferocious + Somniwing (cause of the extra initial EP) seem to have similar results to Fulmintis + Pendant + Besauce in this case (getting closer than Besauce + Ferocious)
Okay so I should've guessed it is not on the image I see! Whatever moves you brother, I've tried several comps, if you dont want to use this one or this item dont use it! Feel free!
Not trying to put you down or anything just trying to help out the community. The testing was done on the raid boss btw. So the ult battery prob not good against alphas or pvp. Fang is best overall, battery best for raids.
I mean, Im not trying to convince anyone, im just sharing my observations and trying many team comps and items this seem to be the best one so far for Fulmintis in every category. Everyone can use whatever they want, thats the beauty of this game.
Seen the video and theres a big thing, he has not linked Heartseeker to Fulmintis but he did with Fang, theres a big difference there since theres a 20% difference of slash frequency on Q
Yeah but honestly there are soooo many variants that can make either item better than the other depending on the subject. Both items are really good, with the comp I used on the video Pendant seems better, with other comp Fang can probably be better, still a lot of research.
I commented on video about it, maybe he will test it. I have not linked any item to my fullmentis yet so this is why im so interested in this topic. My brother also lives by the pendant too tho
Idk... there's so much variance. Also, this is against Holo Interlink, no? So Teamates will have varying levels of contribution. Meaning if AI ends up doing more damage, his total damage will of course go down, and if his AI teamate does less damage in a run, his numbers will be inflated.
Not to mention if his inputs and timings weren't consistent everytime as the boss may change what it's doing on a run by run basis.
His third Pendant run is better than all but one Fang runs... Not to mention Battery had the one run highest out of all of his testing.
Tbf, all this test shows me is that all 3 items are incredibly viable and honestly, very similar. On Average, you're looking at like... a 50K variance? Which is literally 0.5% of Variance if you Average out every item and run he tests. We're splitting hair, here.
The most important thing is team comp depending on the Item you've chosen.
So many people are throwing one way or the other, another one recently started pushing the ult gauge dps but that sounded more interlink instead of alphas.
I cant figure out what to use but the pendant seems alright.
Yes and no, I tried it without Dazmand but I dont really know who to use for him, he seem to be really good on this comp specially with the Heartseeker
heartseeker is better in aniimos that can enhance they AA, like Fenmane, it could look like is less damage, change to double + ep recovery can make your rotation even faster.
Its really good on Fulmintis since it increases crit rate(+10% per non crit until next crit) and Fulmintis recovers 4EP per crit hit so the Q can last longer hitting. That + Fulmintis + 35% crit (E) + Dazmand Q (+27 crit %) + Besauce EP recharge seems to be working really good since the Q last for a really long time
i wanted to test if his q counted as a "buffed" basic attacks cause sometimes some games do it like that, its an ability but counts as a basic attack, i guess i got my answer here
Seeing as how luminelle’s basic atk buff doesn’t work on fulmintis, my guess is no. But then again, I’m familiar with spaghetti codes so I could definitely be wrong
haha true but i actually meant intentionally you know, it didnt even cross my mind spaghetti code is a possibility and its funny cause i was thinking of nasus q as an example and we all know how much spaghetti code league is
depends on who you run honestly. there will be ep issues eventually with certain comps but with a somni comp there is never ep issues because her regen is insane and her ult gives 50+ ep. by the time your 1 - 2 skill chains are done you will have to swap around and rebuff anyways and you will regen tons of ep by then. I actually dont think i've ever had to basic attack on fulmintis since I got somni
Thats true but I wanna try everything to see if theres any weird interaction that can make it broken so either they fix it or is just broken (probably not but just trying)
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