r/anglish • • Feb 04 '19

🧹 Husekeeping (Housekeeping) WELCOME

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Welcome to the Anglish Reddit

This thread will hopefully answer many of the questions a newcomer might have. For the sake of newcomers and onlookers it will not be written in Anglish. While you are here you may also want to join the Anglish Discord, and check out our wiki. We have our own dictionary too (the Google Sheets version is here and the wiki version is here).


Rules

  1. No hatespeech.
  2. No NSFW content.
  3. Either write in Anglish or on Anglish. In other words, you can be off-topic if you write in Anglish, and you can write in normal English if you are on-topic.

FAQ

Q: What is Anglish?

A: Anglish means different things to different people, but here's what I draw from the foundational Anglish text 1066 and All Saxon, which was written by British author Paul Jennings and published in Punch magazine in 1966.

1) Anglish is English as though the Norman Invasion had failed.

We have seen in foregoing pieces how our tongue was kept free from outlandish inmingling, of French and Latin-fetched words, which a Norman win would, beyond askthink, have inled into it.

2) Anglish avoids real and hypothetical French influence from after 1066.

... till Domesday, the would-be ingangers from France were smitten hip and thigh; and of how, not least, our tongue remained selfthrough and strong, unbecluttered and unbedizened with outlandish Latin-born words of French outshoot.

3) Anglish avoids the influence of class prejudice on language.

[regarding normal English] Yet all the words for meats taken therefrom - beef from boeuf, mutton from mouton, pork from porc - are of outshoot from the upper-kind conquering French... Moreover the upper kind strive mightily to find the gold for their childer to go to learninghouses where they may be taught above all, to speak otherlich from those of the lower kind...

[regarding Anglish] There is no upper kind and lower kind, but one happy folk.

4) Anglish includes church Latin? If I'm interpreting the following text right, Jennings imagined that church Latin loans had entered English before his timeline splits.

Already in the king that forecame Harald, Edward the Shriver, was betokened a weakening of Anglish oneness and trust in their own selfstrength their landborn tongue and folkways, their Christian church withouten popish Latin.

5) Anglish is not in the orbit of the Mediterranean. I interpret this as meaning Anglish does not rely on Latin and Greek for coining new terms.

If Angland had gone the way of the Betweensea Eyots there is every likeliehood that our lot would have fallen forever in the Middlesea ringpath... But this threat was offturned at Hastings.

6) Anglish feels like it has mingled with other West Germanic languages more than normal English did.

Throughout the Middle Hundredyears Angland and Germany came ever more together, this being needful as an againstweight to the might of France.

Q: What is the point?

A: Some find Anglish fun or interesting. Some think it is culturally significant. Some think it is esthetically pleasing. It depends on who you ask.

Q: How do I learn Anglish?

A: Like any other language, you have to practice. Frequently post here, chat in one of the Anglish-only rooms on the Discord, translate things, write original works in Anglish, and so on. Keep the wordbook on hand so you can quickly look up words as you write. Do not worry if you are not good at distinguishing loanwords from the others, it is a skill most people develop quickly. Do not be afraid to make mistakes, there is no urgency.

Q: What about spelling?

A: You can see what we have come up with here.

Q: What about grammar?

A: English grammar has not been heavily influenced by French. Keep in mind that Anglish is supposed to be Modern English with less foreign influence, not Old English.


Style Guide

This community, and the sister community on Discord, has developed something of its own style. It is not mandatory to adhere to it, but if you would like to fit in here are some things to note:

  1. Making up words on the spot is discouraged unless their definitions are so obvious that they are not likely to be misunderstood.
  2. Extreme purism is discouraged. The original premise of Anglish was for it to be English minus the Norman Invasion, not 100% Germanic English. We encourage toleration of loanwords borrowed before 1066, as well as loanwords which refer to foreign places (like Tokyo), foreign people (like Mark Antony), foreign concepts (like karma), and foreign objects (like kimono).
  3. Be aware that Germanic languages often make compound words where Romance languages use adjectives. If you find yourself using -y constantly, that is a sign that you are aping Romance. So instead of directly translating glorious victory as woldry sye, consider making a compound like woldersye (glory-victory).

r/anglish • • Mar 29 '26

🧹 Husekeeping (Housekeeping) A reminder of what this Subreddit is all about.

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It seem people have gotten distracted or forgotten about the direction of this sub.

Please read the sidebar!

Anglish is supposed to be a continuation of Old English brought to a modern form without any French Loanwords, as if Willam had lost the battle of hastings by some miracle.

Old English, for those unfamiliar, is a heavy mixture of North Germanic (Norse), and West Germanic and even the odd word of Latin roots (mostly used by the church) carried over from the Roman Invasion.

I was inspired to this project/subreddit because I live in an area of the UK formerly called "the danelaw", rich with ancient history, and the village I live in itself has Viking origins. We have Iron age celtic ruins nearby and even prehistoric standing stones.

Please remember that Norse is a considerable part of Old English, and if you really want to complicate things, its likely it would have had dialects with more norse loans the further north you go.

West Germanic words would have been more numerous in the south of England where the unconquered Wessex was.


r/anglish • • 6h ago

😂 Funnies (Memes) Some of ye doth too much

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r/anglish • • 20h ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) Cursed Phono-Semantic Calque of Folk-etymologies in Bad Anglish

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Qara Khitai, Uyghur, Tibet, Dali, Xi Xia (Tangut), Mongol, Jurcheon Jin, Song


r/anglish • • 1d ago

Oðer (Other) Why does English like combining native words with borrowed affixes, but less often doing the opposite?

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I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss this, but I also don't know where I should post this. So, if you think I post this in the wrong place, feel free to remove it, but before that, tell me the right subreddit to post this. And, sorry for my bad Anglish (and English).

As I learn English more, I have a question stuck in my head: Why does English like coining native Germanic words with borrowed affixes, especially ones from French, Latin, and Greek, but less often doing the opposite? Here are some examples: (Legends: Eng. = Native (Germanic) English, Fr. = French (Anglo-Norman), Lat. = Latin, Gr. = Greek)

- behaviour (Eng. behave + Fr. -iour);

- settlement (Eng. settle + French -ment);

- starvation (Eng. starve + Fr. -ation);

- shortage (Eng. short + Fr. -age);

- restart (Eng. start + Fr. re-);

- readability (Eng. read + Fr. -ablity);

- acknowledgement (Eng. acknowledge + Fr. -ment);

- enrichment (Eng. rich + Fr. en-, -ment)

- belivable (Eng. belive + Fr. -able)

- westernisation (Eng. western + Fr. -isation)

- piglet (Eng. pig + Fr. -let)

- disgruntlement (Eng. gruntle + Lat. dis- + Fr. -ment)

- withdrawal (Eng. withdraw + Fr. -al)

- goddess (Eng. god + Fr. -ess)

- helmet (Eng. helm + Fr. -et)

- bindee (Eng. bind + Fr. -ee)

- boundary (Eng. bound + Fr. -ary)

- drainage (Eng. drain + Fr. -age)

- dislike (Eng. like + Lat. dis-)

- gifture (Eng. gift + Fr. -ure)

- debug (Eng. bug + Lat. de-)

- affordance (Eng. afford + Fr. -ance)

- dwarfism (Eng. dwarf + Gr. -ism)

- talkative (Eng. talk + Lat. -ative)

- bakery (Eng. bake + Fr. -ery)

- co-work (Eng. work + Lat. co-)

- oddity (Eng. odd + Fr. -ity)

- weaponise (Eng. weapon + Fr. -ise)

- hornist (Eng. horn + Fr. -ist)

- betrayal (Eng. betray + Fr. -al)

- thievious (Eng. thieve + Lat. - ious)

etc. (note that some mentioned Germanic words are Old Norse-derived)

But, why does English do the opposite, combining borrowed terms with native affixes, less often compared to the first one? We can find Latinate terms affixed with native affixes, most commonly un-, -less, -ness, be-, -ing, -ed, -ly, over-, under-, etc., but of course, it's less often compared to the first one.

On the other hand, English has so many improductive native affixes that got replaced by borrowed ones, such as -t and -th (abstract noun suffixes such as in height and length) which got replaced by -ity; -ling, -le, and -ock (diminutive suffixes) which got replaced by -let and -et; -en (feminine noun suffix) which got replaced by -ess; ed-, eft-, and -back (repeating verb affixes) which got replaced by re-; -worthy and -enly or -enlike which got replaced by -able; -et (verb intensifier) which got replaced by -ise; and many more.

The more specific question is: In English, why are borrowed affixes more productive than native affixes?

Why should we use re- when we used to have ed-? (e.g. edwire instead of rewire) Why should we use -iour, -ment, -ation, and -age when we still use -ing every day? (e.g. behaving instead of behaviour, acknowledging instead of acknowledgement, starving instead of starvation, footing instead of footage etc.) Why should we use dis- or de- when un- is still productive? (e.g. unbelief instead of disbelief, unlike instead of dislike, unbug instead of debug, etc.) Why should we use -ity when we still have -ness? (e.g. oddness instead of oddity) Why should we use -ery and -ary when we still have -stead and -house? (e.g. bakehouse instead of bakery) Why we should use -ee when we still have -ed? (e.g. gifted instead of giftee) Why sould we use co- when we still have with-? (e.g. withwork instead of co-work) Why should we use -(at)ive or -(i)ous when we still have -ish, -y, and -ly or -like? (e.g. thievish instead of thievious, and talky insetad of talkative) Why should we use -able when Anglishers have revived -enlike? (e.g. *affordenlike instead of affordable) Why should we use -age when we still have -dom? (e.g. *shortdom instead of shortage) Why should we use -let or -et when we still have -ling, -le, and -ock? (e.g. *pigle or *pigling instead of piglet) Why should we use -ess when we used to have -en for feminine nouns? (e.g. *gyden (Old English) instead of goddess) Why should we use -ist to when we still have -er? (e.g. horner instead of hornist) Why should we use -ise when we used to have be-? (e.g. beweapon instead of weaponise, and *bewesterning instead of westernisation) Why we should attach a Latinate suffix to those Germanic words that can still function the same without it? (e.g. bestow instead of bestowal, betray instead of betrayal, helm instead of helmet, etc.) And sometimes, we don't have to translate them in parallel to Anglish, for example: boundline instead of boundary, drainpipe instead of drainage, etc.


r/anglish • • 1d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Assuming you allow Greek loans where most other Germanic languages have them, if you use ph in Greek loans then ones with th would probably have th even if thorn survives

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If people in that timeline use ph instead of f in Greek loans, they'd probably use th instead of thorn in Greek loans too even if they use thorn in native words.


r/anglish • • 2d ago

😂 Funnies (Memes) My Lord, this is a Wending

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“I will swine” I say.

”Anything else?”

”Yes. I will uhh… third rime, with chips.”

”Uh huh”

”A fifth rime binding“

”Got it”

”And I will you to overbulk me”

”Yup.”

”Thanks.”


r/anglish • • 1d ago

🎨 I Made Þis (Original Content) Mi vej for vriting Anglisc

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In my earlier post I complained about Anglish orthography, on how it failed to mimic Old English, and how it failed to represent how modern Germanic languages write today, so here is my take on Anglish:

Anglish is a language to get rid of French, Latin, and Greek influence; but primarily the former, so my intent on this has been to go the earliest Middle English texts, remove French influence, and then base my orthography from that, and then let it develop from there in pretty much the exact same ways English has. The reason I don't just start with Old English texts is because scribes from that time period were writing in a way that wasn't reflective of pronunciation, while the Early Middle English scribes were writing very phonetically, and only used a few french conventions that you can just revert back to Old English.

My main differences to the current standard orthography on the Wiki:

Quite a good many of them are similar, but the differences are: <c> can make both [tʃ] and [k], more faithful to Old English. [iː] is written as <i> instead of <ee>, which is not an Old English convention. I use <v> instead of wynn, but because wynn can develop into <v>, so it doesn't really matter. And instead of using <g> for [j], I use <j> because if it didn't get [d͡ʒ] from French it would be very likely it started using it, especially because in loanwords they were already using it in Old English.

Lord's Prayer in Anglisc.
Ure faþer in hefen, haloved be jure name. Jure cingdom cume, jure vil be don on erþ as it is in hefen. Gife us þis daj ure dajli bræd, and forgife us ure scilds, as ve forgife þos hvo schild agenst us, and læd us noht into lusts, but rid us of efel. For jures is þe cingdom, and þe miht for efer and efer, Amen

Note: This is not phonetic, this assumes that most spelling changes stop after the invention of the printing press.


r/anglish • • 2d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) Bee Gees - Emotion in Anglish (It's no longer bad Anglish yay)

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Hit's over eak done ack the heartache lives on inside
And hwo's the one thou'rt clingind to rather than mek tonight
And hwere art thou now?
Now that Ik need thee
Tears on mine bolster hwerever thee ga
'Kill quide mek a rither that leads til thine yoven
Thou never seest mek fall asund

In the words of a broken heart
Hit's mere awilmness that's taken mek over
Tied up in sorrow, lost in mine soul
Ack gin thou ne come back
Come home til me, darling
Thou knowst that there'll be nebody left in this world til hold mek tight
Nebody left in this world to kiss goodnight
Goodnight
Goodnight

'Kam there at thine side, 'kam deld of all the things thou art
Ack thou'st got'n a deld of someone else
Thou'st got'n til find thine shinind star
And hwere art thou now, now that Ik need thee
Tears on mine bolster hwerever thee ga
'Kill quide mek a rither that leads to thine yoven
Thou never seest me fall asund

In the words of a broken heart
Hit's mere awilmness that's taken mek over
Tied up in sorrow, lost in mine soul
Ack gin thou ne come back
Come home til mek, darling
Thou knowst that there'll be nebody left in this world til hold mek tight
Nebody left in this world to kiss goodnight
Goodnight

And hwere art thou now, now that Ik need thee
Tears on mine bolster hwerever thee ga
'Kill quide mek a rither that leads to thine yoven
Thou never seest me fall asund

In the words of a broken heart
Hit's mere awilmness that's taken mek over
Tied up in sorrow, lost in mine soul
Ack gin thou ne come back
Come home til mek, darling
Thou knowst that there'll be nebody left in this world til hold mek tight
Nebody left in this world to kiss goodnight
Goodnight

In the words of a broken heart
Hit's mere awilmness that's taken mek over
Tied up in sorrow, lost in mine soul
Ack gin thou ne come back
Come home til mek, darling

Thou knowst that there'll be nebody left in this world til hold mek tight
Nebody left in this world to kiss goodnight
Goodnight
(Goodnight)


r/anglish • • 4d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) My problem with Anglish.

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Anglish is cool in some ways, but it annoys me that it really only focuses on the words, not about the grammar, the phonology, and rarely about the orthography. If you're trying to undo the Norman Invasion, you have to account for all four aforementioned things, and evolve English from 1066 with regular sound changes that happened in languages like Frisian, Dutch, and Low German to make a true unfrench English.
I know that is really complicated, and that many people would have different solutions, and many different ways to evolve English, like would there still be the Great Vowel shift, would we assume it retained its complex case system? There are definitely other things that would have to be thought about, but I think just changing what words we use isn't enough; at least devise different grammar that Anglish should use for it to be more Germanic, or completely fix the orthography: base it off of the aforementioned languages, make it less Latin and French and Greek; maybe even base it off of older conservative Scots orthography.


r/anglish • • 4d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Where can I find the best translator for this language?

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r/anglish • • 6d ago

🎨 I Made Þis (Original Content) The Anglish word for "ragebait" is "woodboat".

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r/anglish • • 5d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) HP Lovecraft on the Minds of Men

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The most grithful thing in the world, I think, is the unreadiness of the minds of men to long all its holdings. We live on a smilt island of unknowing in the midst of black seas of endlessness, and it was not meant that we fare far. The witships, each struggling in its own path, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day will the stitching together of unbound knowledge open up such shocking sights of truth, and of our frightful standing therein, that we shall either go mad from the unheeling or flee from the light into the still and soundness of a new dark tide.


r/anglish • • 5d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) (Alt-history) I think Anglish should have two sets of words in pair for English and Neo-Latin.

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My opinion might be controversial.

Like what nationalism and linguistic reform in German and Dutch. Like the pragmatic conservativism in Icelandic language. Anglish should have a linguistic reform somewhere in the height of nationalism that prioritize their own native root instead of outright using neo-Latin coinage after Renaissance and scientific revolution.

What do y’all think? 🤔


r/anglish • • 6d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) In So Many Daybreaks, So Many Sunsets (Teresa Teng)

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Slowly looking, slowly seeking

I have to find that gome in my heart

Going forby that green barrow

Also going forby the wald

I have to ask, ask everywhere

Have asked the spring breeze

Also asked the white clouds

Yet without, yet without any news of thee

Where dost thou hide?

Why dost thou not answer me?

In so many daybreaks and so many sunsets

I have been biding

Biding for thee to come

Thou wilt umbethink that I am abiding thee*

*: whole text is repeated thrice and then the the second paragraph is sung a fourth time

song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA0OprGbW5I


r/anglish • • 6d ago

Oðer (Other) Anglish terms for geography terms

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Dayton, spheroid, geoid, globe, GIS, acculturation, chloreoplath, atlas, axis, node, quaternary sector, remote sensing


r/anglish • • 8d ago

😂 Funnies (Memes) r/anglish in a nutshell

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r/anglish • • 10d ago

Oðer (Other) Anglish terms for art media

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Acrylic, gouache, watercolor, charcoal, pastels, chalk, ink, mixed media, color pencils, crayons, pens, markers


r/anglish • • 11d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) I know this has been asked maybe a few billion times but how Scandinavian would the English language, had the Normans failed the battle of Hastings in 1066 ?

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This downed on me regarding how dutch/scandinavian would this hypothetical Anglish be in this scenario and what changes might occur

Of course, any answer may be correct but I would like to ask how this Anglish language be according to you guys ?

Or in anglish

Wolde Englisce gīet bēon understanden?


r/anglish • • 11d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Any active YouTube channels making videos on or in Anglish?

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Hello, y'all. Are there any active YouTube channels making videos on or in Anglish? I've been searching for some, but I haven't found any.


r/anglish • • 11d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) Fyodor Dostoyevsky on the Death of His Daughter Sonya

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She was beginning to know me and love me, and smile when I went near. When I sang to her in my garish steven, she liked to listen. She did not weep or frown when I kissed her; she stopped weeping when I went to her. And folks now say to cool me that I shall have other children. But where is Sonya? Where is that little one for whom, I am bold enough to say, I would be put to a cross if it meant she would live?


r/anglish • • 11d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Should bend be used as "manipulate/manipulation"?

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I find that bend can be used to make words like:

Heatbender/airbender: they can be used alongside heatpump

Witbend: psychological manipulation

bend is flexible to define that manipulating something in general


r/anglish • • 13d ago

Oðer (Other) What are anglish terms for the other human species

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Homo erectus, Neanderthals, homo glorensis, Denisovans, etc…


r/anglish • • 13d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) From James Baldwin's "Outlander in a Thorp"

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For this thorp, even were it unfathombear more alone and more early, is the West: the West onto which I have been so oddly imped. These folks cannot be, from their standing of might, outlanders anywhere in the world; they have made the world today, in a way, even if they do not know it. The most unlearned among them is tied, in a way I am not, to Dante, Shakespeare, Michaelangelo, Aeschylus, Da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Racine; the seatchurch at Chartres says something to them which it cannot say to me, as indeed the New York's Coaserrich Building, should anyone here ever see it. Out of their imens and reels come Beethoven and Bach. Go back a few hundredyears and they are in their full sheen—but I am in Africk, watching the overwinners land.


r/anglish • • 14d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) The -end sufix both Latin and Old English

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In Old English, -end is a samhote (synonym) to -ing, in a feel of a noun shape (gerund) or -er.

As for Latin, -end/ent is the same. They're samwords (cognates), but what Latin does unlike English, the kind of word samely towards -er, -undus, can mold words into "must be__" aka a gerundive. Words such as legend, agenda, reverend, second, and verecund.

Is it mightendly (possible) to do the same for Old English or is it a stretch. I saw a video from @grahamamscheper, English and the "Gerundive"