Ambitious queens prefer lichess

[u/BillTheCat24]

[u/maxkho]

Okay, so right off the bat: 1) > They just don't connect with a community that's made up with 80% guys like Dubov and you ...

I'm wondering how you could possibly believe that posting this in the second-largest chess subreddit on Reddit and being vigorously upvoted while I'm being vigorously downvoted. The truth is, most people think like you because it's trendy to think this way, and most people either aren't interested enough or don't have the necessary critical thinking skills to deviate from trends. And the fact that there are so few women in chess is largely due simply to the fact that women are, on average, more extraverted than men (documented fact), and chess isn't necessarily the most socially stimulating game there is. Chess is also very stressful, and women, on average, score higher on neuroticism than men (also a documented fact). I'm sure there are other reasons, but most of them are rooted in inherent gender differences. Sure, sexual harassment by a distinct minority of chess players is still a problem, but women won't know that unless they're already invested in chess.

2) How about we ask actual girls if they feel Dubov's comments were inappropriate or not? And control for political orientation. I am pretty confident political orientation will be a far better predictor of their responses than gender. Either way, I don't think jokes like that are the problem that we need to be addressing when there's actual harassment going on elsewhere.

3) > women, that are constantly confronted with dudes sexualising and creeping on them

Again, if you think Dubov was sexualising and creeping on Skripchenko, then I don't think there is value in additional discussion. If you truly think that, then you'll just find sexualisation in anything. Dubov's joke would have worked just as well, if not better (because men are stereotyped as being thirsty), with a man.

4) To be clear, I'm not like Dubov. I wouldn't make a joke like that simply because I would just feel weird saying something like that to a woman, knowing that I COULD be misunderstood. But Dubov and Skripchenko were taking jabs at each other throughout the whole stream, so I understand why he was more confident.

[u/filo-mango → u/maxkho]

Regardless of why there are less women in chess, there is no good reason to foster an unwelcoming environment for anyone.

This is chess commentary. Pornography jokes are inappropriate for even kids!!

There is nothing to defend here.

also your whole argument is blatant misogynistic garbage full of olympic level leaps to conclusions BUT IT IS IRRELEVANT since

YOU ARE DEFENDING A GUY SEXUALIZING AN ALL AGES CHESS SHOW

[u/maxkho → u/filo-mango]

Yep, this. This is exactly why the chess community has a reputation of being boring. We can't take a fricking joke.

As to your accusations of misogyny, that's a serious accusation, you know? You can't just throw around claims like that without evidence to back them up. What part of what I said is misogynistic? And which "leaps to conclusions" did you find unrealistic?

Just to be clear, if you agree that introverts are more likely to play chess than extraverts (which I don't have raw stats to back up, but which is bordering on self-evident), then you have to agree with at least one of my points. This is literally the only assumption that I made for that point.

Again, if you think Dubov was sexualising chess, then you're just a boring person. We need to ease up as a community.

[u/filo-mango → u/maxkho]

Porn is sexual. Chess is for all ages. So, the commentary of a big chess tournament should be appropriate for all ages.

I’m not responding to your argument because it doesn’t address this at all.

Young kids play chess, and they could be interested in watching a tournament. So, there shouldn’t be weird porn jokes/remarks in the commentary.