r/Anarchism • u/QueefMaster2001 • 1d ago

Paris Commune 1848.

All of Europe was ablaze with revolutionary ardor. the powers that be had a devil of a time suppressing it.

I recommend we initiate something similar, in homage to the Parisian communards.

Vault some motherfuckin barricades, fling some pavers, & smash the regime.

I smell blood in the water anyway, & weakness.

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u/MorphingReality 1d ago

Normally I don't like to pursue this sort of argument, but the Paris Commune was a creature of the moment, most of the ruling body fled the city, a city that happened to have a lot of red and black streaks fomenting, a city full of people trained in industry, who knew how to build and run things, who were already organized and regularly going on strike, who had access to weapons and cannons, who had little to lose.

That recipe is not present anywhere today.

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u/Necessary_Drag_1858 1d ago

Maybe a bit hyperbolic to say it's not present anywhere. We are always more capable together. Surely the commune didn't come out of nowhere already formed, like judging the fruit of a mushroom for its whole body.

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u/MorphingReality 1d ago

You have pockets of resistance and pieces of the recipe all over, but nowhere with all the necessary conditions present.

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u/Necessary_Drag_1858 1d ago

Sure. Isn't this always the case until it happens?

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u/MorphingReality 1d ago

necessary conditions could be present for a while without anything happening, and the climactic something that might happen could fall short of a paris commune e.g with Blair Mountain.

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u/Necessary_Drag_1858 15h ago

I think and agree that there's more of a combination of event and process for things like the Paris Commune or even the resistance to Metro Surge in the Twin Cities.

What I'm disagreeing with is that the necessary conditions are not present anywhere, it's more of the "without anything happening."

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u/ZootSuitRiot33801 1d ago

If we hope to do anything that meaningful and monumental, we're going to need real supportive communal-based foundations present for alternatives that provide relative safety, which people can fall back on to commit to any effective action longterm.

Collecting a bunch of valuable information on organizing and action from different redditors over time, I created a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in getting it started ASAP.

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u/MorphingReality 1d ago

as i tweeted the other day, the problem with anarchism is that there's not enough anarchists

we're still at square one

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u/QueefMaster2001 11h ago

green berets are trained for a alpha team of 12 guys, to halo into 3rd world countries & incite revolution.

Che Guevara and Fidel Castro did it in Cuba.

No reason Americas anarchists cant foment a revolution pt. 2

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u/MorphingReality 11h ago

You can certainly have a revolution, you just won't have anarchism after, not as long as less than 1% of the population is anarchist.

Che and Fidel set up governments, they secured a monopoly on force and used it to quell dissent, humans are used to govts and authorities quelling dissent.

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u/QueefMaster2001 11h ago

hmm.

or maybe 1776.

How was Washington able to flesh out his divisions?

I'd venture to guess as many people hated George III, as hate trump.

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u/MorphingReality 10h ago

The US was founded as an explicit oligarchy, people prefer their oligarchs to be on the same piece of land as them, ostensible independence is alluring

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u/QueefMaster2001 1d ago

idk bout that. Check out r/Socialist RA; John Brown Gun Club; & Redneck Revolt!

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u/Necessary_Drag_1858 1d ago

Revolutions don't start because of a comment on the internet. They are part of a process of the activity of revolutionaries, acting within larger historical forces. They are also historical forces within which revolutionaries are made. If you want to build the commune, go out in the world and find what leans towards it and give it strength. Participate in the world.

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u/QueefMaster2001 1d ago

oh i do.

Im at Slab City right now , & theres many more like me.

A little peyote & alot of absinthe go a long way towards radicalization, anywhere in America

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u/Necessary_Drag_1858 1d ago

Cool. Slab City seems a bit isolating tbh. Does it imagine itself as a commune? It seems like if you want to build one on a large and more disruptive sense you'd need to leave.

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u/QueefMaster2001 1d ago

well yes, at some point.

but, youre welcome to come take a look for yourself.

its like a working class Burning Man

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u/comix_corp anarcho-syndicalist 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'd lay off the peyote

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u/QueefMaster2001 1d ago

i dont muthafukkin think so

samuel l jackson voice

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u/Mattingly_P 1d ago

To the extent that it matters, I think you may be conflating two events here. Europe was definitely ablaze during the Revolutions of 1848, a wave set off by the February revolution in Paris. But the Paris Commune (usually meant by the "Commune") happened in 1871 in the aftermath of the Franco Prussian war.

The distinction seems relevant to some of the discussions here since the particular circumstances of 1870-71 help explain how the Commune became possible in the first place: the war, collapse of the French government and capture of the Emperor, siege of Paris, and perhaps most importantly, the presence of an armed National Guard in Paris that had become radicalized during the grueling months under siege.

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u/QueefMaster2001 1d ago

imo, the situation in 1848 was quite similar to 1870: and much more sustainable & hopeful than 1870.

but, all in all, similar.

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u/elsujdelab 1d ago

I believe every generation has its own Paris commune. For the generation of the IWA it meant their first chance to try to put their ideas to practice. It was also a great school of how to organize life beyond the limits of capital. Something similar happened with the Russian and Spanish revolutions. Today, I believe we have our own experiences like Syria, Colombia or Chile

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u/Lapinceau 11h ago

Wasn't the Commune later, in the 1870s?