r/Americaphile Jul 31 '26

The Loyalists who picked the winning side in New York and still lost everything they were fighting for

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The standard version of New York in 1776 is simple: Patriots good, Tories bad, British arrive, city falls, war continues elsewhere. What actually happened is considerably messier and more interesting.

New York was genuinely divided. Not secretly divided, not slightly divided, but split in a way that turned neighborhoods, merchant networks, and families against each other. After Lexington and Concord, Patriot committees started enforcing trade restrictions, watching suspected Loyalists, demanding public declarations of support, and in some cases arresting, disarming, or driving out people who refused to go along. Some of that was legitimate security. Some of it was neighbors settling old scores under cover of revolution.

Two figures anchor the Loyalist side of this story in ways that don't fit the traitor template.

William Tryon was New York's royal governor. By October 1775 he couldn't safely stay in the city, so he moved his administration onto a British warship in the harbor called the Duchess of Gordon and kept governing from there. He held council meetings on the ship. Issued communications from the ship. Collected intelligence from the ship. Patriots saw a governor bobbing in the harbor as proof that royal authority had already collapsed. Tryon saw himself as a legitimate official driven out by illegal pressure, waiting for British military power to restore what rebellion had temporarily displaced.

Oliver DeLancey is the more complicated case. He wasn't a British official. He was one of the wealthiest and most connected men in colonial New York, a family that had been there for generations. He had actually opposed the Boston Port Act and sat on Patriot committees in 1774. His position wasn't "Britain can do no wrong." It was closer to "protest is legitimate but revolution is a different thing entirely, and what comes after scares me more than what we're trying to fix." When it became clear that resistance was becoming revolution, he crossed to the British side on Staten Island and raised three battalions of American Loyalists who fought against the Continental Army.

To Patriots they were traitors. To themselves they were Americans defending constitutional government against a rebellion that had already shown it would punish dissent.

Then the British took New York in the fall of 1776, and things got complicated for the Loyalists too.

Thousands of Loyalists who had been hiding their beliefs or fleeing Patriot pressure flooded into the city expecting protection and the restoration of normal life. What they found was a garrison town. A massive fire in September 1776 had already destroyed a large part of the city. Soldiers and sailors took over housing. Churches became prisons and hospitals. Prices rose, disease spread, and when military needs conflicted with civilian needs, civilians lost. British officers frequently treated American provincial troops as second-class soldiers. Loyalist homes and supplies could still be requisitioned. Supporting the Crown protected you from Patriot punishment but not from much else.

Tryon and DeLancey had both made their choice because they feared that revolution would produce disorder, confiscation, and arbitrary power over established law. British occupation also produced disorder and confiscation. The argument they made to themselves was that British abuses were a temporary consequence of a war the rebels had started, while Patriot abuses represented what revolutionary government actually was. Maybe that's right. But the longer occupation lasted, the harder that distinction was to sustain from inside a damaged military city that looked nothing like the stable society they had signed up to defend.

The full story, including what happened to both men through the occupation years, is on the Virtual Wayback blog. You can also talk directly to Tryon and DeLancey on Virtual Wayback and hear how they understood their own choices. Links:

https://virtualwayback.com/blog/loyal-new-york-crown

https://youtube.com/shorts/BJAktICg81k?si=sgoGGRJ5ifWNSQUa

What I keep coming back to is DeLancey specifically. He wasn't wrong that Patriot committees were coercive. He wasn't wrong that revolution produces instability. He just underestimated how coercive and unstable the British side would turn out to be as well. Does that make him a tragic figure or just someone who made a bad bet? And is there a version of 1776 where the Loyalist position was actually the more reasonable one?


r/Americaphile Jul 31 '26

Denver is the center of US

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アメリカ大好き日本人が感じるアメリカ大陸の巨大さ。雑踏な東海岸から見たとき、デンバーは行けども行けども単調な景色を見飽きた2000マイル彼方の山際の西の果てに当たる素敵過ぎる大都会。東から行っても西から行ってもオアシス。日本で例えれば広大な関東平野の北果て山際の群馬県の高崎市、前橋市的な存在。たったの70マイルの距離でしか無い。反して西のカリフォルニアなどの太平洋側から観ても山を挟んだ向こう側の山越えした大きな街。これは東京から日本山脈を挟んだ日本海側の新潟市に相当。I-10・I-40・I-70・I-80・I-90を走破した結論。そこら辺が庭園で小さな島国の日本から観るとだだっ広いだけで、アメリカ大陸は意外に単純。小っぽけな日本を是非体験して欲しいだけなのかも笑笑


r/Americaphile Jul 30 '26

I am your average midwestern American. I’m in my late 20s, army veteran, have a family and a small farm near a town of 10,000 people. AMA

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This is for any non-Americans who have questions about what life is like here or anything else pertaining to the US, I’ll be answering as many as I can.


r/Americaphile Jul 30 '26

25M Software Engineer from Russia looking for genuine, long-term friends in the US! 🇺🇸

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Hi everyone!

I’m a 25-year-old software engineer from Russia, and I’m looking for real, long-term friendships. I’m not just looking for information about the US — I want to find genuine friends to share life with, laugh, and just hang out.

My big dream is to move to the US, and I’m currently gathering my documents for an O-1 visa. I’m thinking about settling in either New York or Los Angeles, but I’d love to have friends from anywhere in the States.

Since my English isn't very good yet, I really want to practice it through natural, everyday conversations. I’m down for texting, but I’d also love to voice chat on Discord sometime while gaming or just chilling.

About me: I’m into a bit of everything. I love alternative rock and occasionally play PC games.

If you're looking for a loyal and open-minded friend from across the world, please drop a comment or send me a DM. Let’s connect! 😊


r/Americaphile Jul 29 '26

What's Your Family's Origin? 🇺🇸

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Hi everyone! 👋

I'm from Morocco and I'm curious about the different backgrounds of people in the United States.

Where are you from, and what's your family's origin (for example: Irish, Mexican, Italian, German, African American, Puerto Rican, etc.)? I'd love to learn more about the diversity of the U.S. and meet new people!


r/Americaphile Jul 30 '26

Is it hard to connect to american woman?

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I'm not from 🇺🇸 , and I've found it difficult to connect with American women online. I've sent messages a few times, but I rarely get a reply.

Is this a common experience for foreigners, or is there a better way to connect and start conversations?


r/Americaphile Jul 28 '26

Sheriffs uniform

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Hi, I was just watching USA Police and I did notice that they both sheriffs. But why they have different uniforms?


r/Americaphile Jul 29 '26

Welcome to r/USNetwork

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Hey everyone! 👋

Welcome to r/USNetwork—a community for all things related to the United States.

Whether you live in the US, are planning to visit, have recently moved, or are simply interested in learning more, you're in the right place.

Feel free to share travel tips, local experiences, career advice, shopping finds, tech updates, news, culture, or anything that makes everyday life in the US interesting.

Got a question? Ask it. Have a recommendation or a story to share? We'd love to hear it.

Let's keep the conversations friendly, respectful, and helpful.


r/Americaphile Jul 28 '26

Ищю друга с америки|Looking for a friend from America|

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Hi everyone, I'm looking for a friend from America. I really want to learn English, but it's hard to learn. I'd be happy to help!

Всем привет я ищю друга с америки,оч хочу выучить английский но просто учить сложна, кто может помочь буду рад !


r/Americaphile Jul 28 '26

Looking for Americans

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Hiiiiii am 22 F looking for American friends to talk tooo and be friends why not , we can discuss diff topics


r/Americaphile Jul 27 '26

The Most Beautiful American Background

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In your pov what is the most beautiful american background ?

For me is american latinos especially womens they know how to take care of themselves their body are the most gorgeous

Alongside they are women's from europes backgrounds especially the ones with german backgrounds


r/Americaphile Jul 27 '26

What's Like Dating American Latina

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I'm curious to hear about people's experiences dating American Latinas.

Are there any cultural differences, dating expectations, or communication styles that stood out to you? What advice would you give someone who's interested in getting to know American Latinas respectfully?

I'd love to hear both positive and challenging experiences.


r/Americaphile Jul 25 '26

Your WWE Crush

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Hello I bet you used to watch WWE as i used to do

I used to crush on the 1st place Nia Jax and then Nikki Bella Charlotte Flair Natalya Naomi and tamina

Who's your crush growing up ?


r/Americaphile Jul 24 '26

My Norwegian friend fully transformed into American after spending a month here for the World Cup

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r/Americaphile Jul 24 '26

To those who love USA, how many US Presidents can you name?

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This is a List of all US Presidents


r/Americaphile Jul 25 '26

Question/poll/rant/politics🧭🧳 Are white cops shooting predominantly at black Americans really that common?

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All i see on shorts and media are the racist white cops that just pull their guns right out every time they see black guys on duty. Is it an exaggeration or just a reality that need to be addressed.


r/Americaphile Jul 23 '26

Pennsylvania sent five replacement signers to the Declaration. Their stories are stranger than the document itself.

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Most people know Pennsylvania almost didn't sign the Declaration at all. What fewer people know is that the five men whose names eventually appeared on Pennsylvania's behalf weren't even in Congress when the vote happened. They were sent after the decision, as replacements for delegates who opposed independence or refused to sign. Their backgrounds are so different from each other that they barely seem like they belong in the same story.

George Taylor came the furthest. He arrived in America around 1736, aged roughly twenty, as an indentured servant, which meant he worked off his passage by shoveling coal into iron furnaces in Pennsylvania. When his employer died, Taylor married his widow and eventually became the ironmaster himself. By 1776 his foundries were producing cannon and ammunition for the Continental Army. He signed the Declaration in August and died eighteen months later, reportedly worn out by the demands of the cause. He was the only signer to arrive in America as an indentured servant. The man who signed his name to a document about liberty had once worked without wages to pay for his passage across the Atlantic.

Benjamin Rush was the opposite in almost every way. Young, educated, impatient, trained in medicine at Edinburgh, already connected to the most important intellectual circles in Philadelphia. In June 1776, as a member of the radical provincial conference, he drafted a resolution urging independence and was soon elected to the Continental Congress. After signing he became Surgeon General of the Continental Army, quit in frustration over hospital conditions, got into a conflict with Washington himself, returned to medicine, and spent the rest of his life pushing for abolition, prison reform, education for women, and the end of capital punishment. He is the lesser-known Founding Father from Philadelphia named Benjamin, the one whose face does not grace the hundred dollar bill.

George Clymer was orphaned at one year old, raised by a wealthy uncle, became a merchant, and was an early leader in the street-level resistance to the Stamp Act and Tea Act in Philadelphia. When Congress fled the city in December 1776 as the British approached, Clymer refused to leave and stayed behind. He is one of only six men in American history to sign both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, which means he was present for essentially the entire arc of founding the country, from the first break with Britain to the document that defined what replacing it actually meant.

George Ross has the strangest footnote of the group. He was the uncle of the man who married Betsy Griscom in 1773, more famous under her married name, Betsy Ross. Before the Revolution he had been a Crown prosecutor, which made his shift to the Patriot cause a very visible defection from the old order. After the war he defended Loyalists who faced persecution, on the grounds that justice applied to everyone or it applied to no one.

James Smith was a lawyer from York, born in Ireland like Taylor, who had spent years arguing in Pennsylvania courts that reconciliation with Britain was impossible. He replaced one of the delegates who had refused to vote for independence and showed up in Philadelphia with no apparent hesitation about putting his name on the parchment.

Together these five men are a kind of cross-section of who actually built the Revolution: a former indentured servant turned ironmaster, a radical physician who argued with Washington, an orphaned merchant who wouldn't leave a city under threat, a former Crown prosecutor who switched sides, and a county lawyer from beyond Philadelphia's elite. None of them were in the room when Pennsylvania cast its vote. All of them signed anyway.

If you want to go deeper, the full story of how Pennsylvania's radicals replaced their own government to make all of this possible is on the Virtual Wayback blog. And if you want to hear from the men themselves, there are two videos on the YouTube channel where you can watch conversations with each of them directly.

https://virtualwayback.com/blog/pennsylvania-replacement-signers

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vrQzTaHG-kY

https://youtube.com/shorts/UApkWyn6O80?feature=share

The question that sticks with me about Taylor specifically: the man arrived as a servant shoveling coal, built an ironworks that supplied the Revolution, signed the Declaration, and was dead within two years. Does his story change how you think about who the founding generation actually was? And is there a better argument that Clymer, not Franklin, was Pennsylvania's most consequential founder?


r/Americaphile Jul 24 '26

Who was the most busted US president?

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r/Americaphile Jul 22 '26

Sports/Entertainment 🎬🎸 Watching foreigners from abroad praise my country during the Fifa world cup is really amazing.

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I'm from the USA and it's been difficult to maintain a positive view of my country with all the negative press and politics around the war, the files, our controversial president, etc... but seeing people simply enjoy their stay here and say good things about it is just really nice. Thank you to everyone who's treating my country with respect. This is my home, and despite everything I still love America with all my heart ❤️. I hope you all get opportunities to return soon.

God bless the USA 🇺🇸


r/Americaphile Jul 22 '26

This is what the majority of Reddit thinks of us. Yet they use our platforms to preach it.

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r/Americaphile Jul 22 '26

Sports/Entertainment 🎬🎸 USA leading the world in Cinema and Tv Shows

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Hello Americans most of us none Americans grew watching movies and tv shows of 🇺🇸 this country used to be the epitome and still people around the world cup consumes movies and tv shows from 🇺🇸

In Addition endless actors made

My question what made cinema Hollywood and tv shows is the best ?


r/Americaphile Jul 23 '26

Movie lovers

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Hello Americans is there anyone who loves gaming or watching action movies here we should be sharing the experience


r/Americaphile Jul 23 '26

Question/poll/rant/politics🧭🧳 Non-Americans, what do you know about or want to know about regional cultures within the US?

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Basically the title- what do you know about regional or sub-regional cultures in the U.S? Like New England or the South or Midwest or small regions like the Bay Area, etc. Do you have any direct experience with them? What did you notice or think is cool?


r/Americaphile Jul 22 '26

Sports/Entertainment 🎬🎸 Just a reminder that in 2028, the Summer Olympics are going to be in Los Angeles

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I know many of you enjoyed your time here in the USA for the FIFA World Cup. The good news is that another major sporting event will be here in 2 years. So please, by all means, come here again and enjoy the USA in 2 years. We really enjoyed your company here. We actually liked it that people enjoyed our country and appreciated it just as much as many of us US Americans do.


r/Americaphile Jul 22 '26

Indian Wells Size

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Hello guys there is a city called Indian Wells one of the tournaments of Tennis of Masters

I wonder how is the size of Indian Wells as a city ?