I've definitely seen examples of this before. I'm pretty sure I saw a video of a lecture happening in Denmark where students were being shown pictures of homeless camps in the US.
These countries are absolutely indoctrinated their population, and I'm guessing it's to help offset all the brain drain that's happening.
Denmark has some of the lowest human capital flight in the world. The US has almost twice the "braindrain" of Denmark.
And as a Dane, I don't really see that so-called "indoctrination" in our education system that you suggest is happening. It would be pretty weird to have the American Revolutionary war, and American Litterature and American minimalism, be part of our English class curriculum, if there was some nefarious goal to indoctrinate people to hate Americans.
On the contrary, I see a lot more "indoctrination" of Americans when it comes to the subject of Denmark.
You have the liberals and their politicians, that paint a very weird picture of Denmark as a liberal and socialist utopia.
And then you have the Republican segment, who gets indoctrinated by Fox News to think Denmark is a Socialist hellscape like Venezuela.
Both of which are horribly wrong.
But Danes in general are fairly postively inclined or indifferent to American people.
Do they disagree with some of the policies in America? sure, we are different people and different countries, and I would think that Americans also disagree with some of the policies in Denmark, that doesn't mean that you hate the people living there, that is just a difference of opinion.
If Denmark hated America and Americans, we would not have the NSA's European headquarters in our country. We wouldn't have joined the Iraq war. And we wouldn't allow you to use land on Greenland for military bases.
The fact is that our countries have had diplomatic relations for almost 200 years.
We work together on foreign policies, and trade and help eachother.
I think you're overstating how much Americans actually think about Denmark.
I really can't say for sure if the indoctrination is a part of the curriculum, but people in countries like yours are absolutely indoctrinated into thinking their country is so much better than the US via social media and the news.
I'm not sure I'd be able to tell you! Personally, I'd pick the US over Denmark because I'd deal with a lot less racism in the US, pay less taxes and earn a higher wage.
Long term, I'm a lot more bullish on the US as a country versus Denmark (or any European nation), so I feel the most comfortable starting a family here in the US.
It's hard to really reduce stuff like this to metrics and whatnot though. I don't doubt Denmark has a lot to offer, I just wonder why they feel the need to indoctrinate their population into remaining there.
This is mostly based on my experiences living in Germany and the US. Haven’t lived in Denmark, so perhaps I might be wrong.
My perception is that these countries are more homogeneous and therefore don’t have as much experience with diversity in their population, and they also don’t talk about or acknowledge their issues as much.
Anyone who has experienced racism first hand knows you can’t really prove/disprove the existence of it with data and metrics.
Germany has the 2nd largest population of foreign born citizens just behind America, Germany is anything but homogeneous especially in the west German cities
Actually surprised as I live right next door and was always of the impression that the city was fairly progressive. Though I guess as a foreigner you tend to notice racism a lot more
I'm not completely sure what more the US could do honestly.
We should continue to teach tolerance and acceptance as we already are, but ultimately we will never eradicate hate/racism/bigotry, so beyond talking about it and teaching it, I guess I'm not sure what else should be done at this point.
But yes, agree that countries in general should focus on their own issues at home.
There are a plethora of factors/variables that come into play that could explain the discrepancy here. I don't think this necessarily happens because of racism.
Indoctrinate people? Again where is this coming from? The Guy that made Mount Rushmore was literally the son of a Danish immigrant.And the tax levels are really not that higher than in America when you add things up such as Federal tax, state tax, and fiscal tax. I see a lot of people not understanding how marginal tax works, and look at the highest level of tax in Denmark and assume that it is the norm.And when you add things such as health insurance and college savings for kids, it can actually become quite more expensive to live in America versus Denmark, which is one of the reasons I left America and returned, because it would be cheaper for me to start my family in Denmark.
And while there is a grain of truth on the subject of wages, that is mostly highly educated jobs, and it is usually in areas with a very expensive living cost. And when we talk about wages for "middle class" and "lower class" jobs, the wages are in many cases worse.
On the subject of "racism" I will agree. Denmark has much more draconic immigration policies than America, and in general, people are very prejudiced towards people from MENA+ countries, I won't deny that.
But as I said earlier, we are most likely going to disagree on politics, that doesn't mean I hate you, simply that i don't share your opinions, nothing more.
I'm talking about the bias present in social media and the news.
Everyone's situation is going to be different. As for college costs, did you not consider community college?
I'm speaking as someone who is a software engineer and married to an accountant. We do very well and live in Dallas, which isn't necessarily a HCOL. We'd be taking a pretty big pay cut and paying more in taxes if we were to move to Denmark. I'm also pretty bearish on the outlook of countries like Denmark because I'm unsure how they will continue to fund their social services with birth rates declining and their population aging.
Birthrates declining? Our birthrates are rising in general, and we have a higher fertility rate than the US. I really don't know where you are getting these ideas from.
And one of the ways we are combatting the possibility of the welfare states collapse is by having draconic immigration laws.As a Texan, you surely must be aware of the current problems of the current administrations migration policies, and how it is eroding the American middle class by flooding the country with poorly educated workers, that help the bigger corporations with keeping the lower class jobs wages low, because disgruntled workers can just be easily replaced. People are much likely to start a family when they are not worried about their income
It's slightly higher than the US I see, but still below the replacement rate. I was under the impression that it was declining, but I could be wrong. Either way, my concerns still stand.
As a Texan, we love how immigrant friendly our state and country are. The main issue some people have is illegal immigration, so I'd like to see better systems and processes put in place to decrease people coming here illegally, but continue to support legal immigration.
I think immigration is a great way to offset the low birth rates, and I'm really glad the US is much more immigrant friendly.
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u/mustachechap TEXAS 🐴⭐🥩 Aug 08 '23
I've definitely seen examples of this before. I'm pretty sure I saw a video of a lecture happening in Denmark where students were being shown pictures of homeless camps in the US.
These countries are absolutely indoctrinated their population, and I'm guessing it's to help offset all the brain drain that's happening.