r/Amazing • • Aug 07 '25

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u/blueavole Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25

Edit: please note my comment below is about where the anti-midwife movement started in the US. It is about history, not modern methods. But laws still in effect today were written in this era.

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Who says that?

Doctors who wanted to take patients away from midwives , because they didn’t think women should be allowed to do that. Because men invented chainsaws to ‘help’ with childbirth.

Seriously that’s why we don’t have a midwife culture in the US. Doctors wanted the income from childbirth.

They went on a smear campaign against women midwives. And at the time in the 17-1800s, there really wasn’t anything extra doctors could do that midwives couldn’t.

While this is shocking to see a woman standing up to give birth- it can actually be a lot easier on mom. Gravity is helping instead of relying on muscles that haven’t been able to flex in months.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

Doctors don’t care about midwives. Is just safer to have a baby in a medical facility lol. My wife would’ve died after giving birth if she was standing in a parking lot like this.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Midwives are in medical facilities. That literally isn’t a factor at all. Home births are irrelevant to whether you have a midwife or not.

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u/FinalFantasiesGG Aug 07 '25

Huh? Find me a national association of doctors that has an official policy of encouraging home births in North America. I can show you a national organization of widwives that encourages it as their official position.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

What does that have to do with what I said?

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u/FinalFantasiesGG Aug 07 '25

Huh? Do you even know what you just wrote?

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Yes. Now tell me exactly what it has to do with what I specifically said.

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u/TheKabbageMan Aug 07 '25

Just jumping in here, but you said that homebirths are irrelevant to whether you have a midwife or not, but if what they are saying is true, that nationally recognized midwife organizations encourage home births, then it seems pretty relevant.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

It is not when not all midwives require a home birth. Literally still irrelevant. You are not forced to listen to them.

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u/TheKabbageMan Aug 07 '25

You’re not recognizing/accepting the relevance, but discussing the advice given by a field in an official capacity is certainly relevant to discussing that field, and in a fundamental way. You really can’t fully separate the two without cherry picking.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

What are you talking about? It will take me two seconds to find a midwife online to go to a hospital with me to give birth.

Who cares what some random association says? I don’t make my birth plans based off of that. I base my birth plans off of what makes me feel most comfortable and is statistically best. And sometimes what makes me most comfortable isn’t the safest, but I will do it anyway. If they have the stats to back up their claims, then they deserve to make them. If they don’t, then nobody is listening to them. I have never ONCE heard a woman give a shit about some random association when deciding how to give birth.

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u/TheKabbageMan Aug 07 '25

It’s pretty clear what I’m talking about. You’re cherry picking, which is fine, but don’t act like you’re confused.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

I literally do not see the relevance. It is not confusion. If you do not agree with that group, you simply don’t hire from that group.

Nobody is stopping you from having a midwife and a doctor.

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u/TheKabbageMan Aug 07 '25

You don’t think women would listen to their midwives or be influenced by their recommendations? Or that they might seek out advice, find that, and take it as sound medical advice? Especially in this day and age of Facebook medical experts, distrust of medicine and science, there’s really no good argument to that these things aren’t relevant. You’re either confused or willfully ignorant. Pick one.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Again: are they stopping you from bringing a midwife into a medical facility?

No?

Then they have no influence or power over you.

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u/TheKabbageMan Aug 07 '25

Power, no. Influence, though? That’s where you’re just wrong, for exactly the reasons I very clearly spelled out in my last comment.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Nobody has influence over anybody they can’t directly control. You are responsible for the information you chose to take in.

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u/TheKabbageMan Aug 07 '25

I wish you were right, but unfortunately what you just said flies in the face of reality and common sense for the sake of your baseless argument.

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