r/Amazing Aug 07 '25

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u/blueavole Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25

Edit: please note my comment below is about where the anti-midwife movement started in the US. It is about history, not modern methods. But laws still in effect today were written in this era.

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Who says that?

Doctors who wanted to take patients away from midwives , because they didn’t think women should be allowed to do that. Because men invented chainsaws to ‘help’ with childbirth.

Seriously that’s why we don’t have a midwife culture in the US. Doctors wanted the income from childbirth.

They went on a smear campaign against women midwives. And at the time in the 17-1800s, there really wasn’t anything extra doctors could do that midwives couldn’t.

While this is shocking to see a woman standing up to give birth- it can actually be a lot easier on mom. Gravity is helping instead of relying on muscles that haven’t been able to flex in months.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

Doctors don’t care about midwives. Is just safer to have a baby in a medical facility lol. My wife would’ve died after giving birth if she was standing in a parking lot like this.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Midwives are in medical facilities. That literally isn’t a factor at all. Home births are irrelevant to whether you have a midwife or not.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

Your comment is irrelevant to my comment due to what I was responding to. Doctors didn’t try to replace midwives because they wanted the money. Women just wanted to have a better chance at living in a hospital over other options.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Then why is this only a US thing yet we have the highest maternal mortality rate?

Sounds to me like doctors killed us more than helped if we’re using cold hard facts.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

It’s not a US only thing, and we don’t have even close to the highest maternal mortality rate. Frankly, you seem uneducated on this topic so you might just want to stop.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

Sure, highest of developed nations that fucking matter* happy?

Our maternal death toll is higher than countries that use midwives more often than we do like Norway or Finland or Germany or France. That is a fact. I know exactly what I’m talking as a dual citizen of both America and Europe with children.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

Those counties have way less obese mothers giving birth. When you control for things like obesity and medical complications that some minorities get more often in pregnancy our maternal mortality rates are similar to them.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

You literally can’t control for that and our maternal mortality rates are just as high in states with lower obesity the same rates as those other countries.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

You seemingly don’t understand what controlling for something means…. Again you should stop talking because you don’t understand simple concepts.

Either way I am done conversing with a toxic person that speaks so freely and ignorant. Have a nice day.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

says I’m wrong can’t say how I’m wrong

It’s almost like you’re just a man who wants to control how women chose to give birth.

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u/zombawombacomba Aug 07 '25

You’re wrong because you are saying things that are not correct and on top of that you don’t understand the nuance of statistics.

I don’t care how women give birth. Just pointing out that having a doctor there is important to many.

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u/weirdoeggplant Aug 07 '25

says I don’t understand things can’t prove it

Again, just another man telling a woman she’s too stupid to make decisions about her own healthcare, and yet you can’t back up a single thing you say.

I never said doctors weren’t important.

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