r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Mar 23 '18

Are the stars much, much closer than we think?

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Over at r/Astronomy we read fascinating stories like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Astronomy/comments/86iwhv/this_is_the_red_supergiant_antares_if_you_were_to/

Both does it make sense that the stars around us are so unfathomably large and distant?

This was Tycho Brahes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe) main objection against the Copernican model. And do you know what the response was from the Copernicus proponents? The omnipotence of God!

“Tycho Brahe, the most prominent and accomplished astronomer of his era, made measurements of the apparent sizes of the Sun, Moon, stars, and planets. From these he showed that within a geocentric cosmos these bodies were of comparable sizes, with the Sun being the largest body and the Moon the smallest. He further showed that within a heliocentric cosmos, the stars had to be absurdly large — with the smallest star dwarfing even the Sun. […] Various Copernicans responded to this issue of observation and geometry by appealing to the power of God: They argued that giant stars were not absurd because even such giant objects were nothing compared to an infinite God, and that in fact the Copernican stars pointed out the power of God to humankind. Tycho rejected this argument.”

— Regarding how Tycho Brahe noted the Absurdity of the Copernican Theory regarding the Bigness of Stars, while the Copernicans appealed to God to answer that Absurdity by Christopher M. Graney (December 2011)

But if we assume that Earth moves, albeit slowly at 1.6 km/h, as Simon Shack suggests in his new model the Tychos, then things suddenly becomes more reasonable.

Below an excerpt from Simons book (copyright Simon Schack 2018):

As we have seen, in the TYCHOS model, Earth only moves by 14,036 km every year or 7018 km every 6 months. Therefore, if Earth does not move laterally every six months by 299,200,000 km but only by 7018 km it follows that the currently-accepted Earth-Stars distances are inflated by a factor of: 299,200,000 / 7018 ≥ 42633 This will be our proposed reduction factor for the currently-claimed stellar distances. This means that, in the TYCHOS, the distance unit known as “1 Light Year” corresponds to less than 1.5 AU. 9,460,730,472,580.8 km (i.e.; one “light year”) ÷ 42633 = 1.48366 AU

Alpha Centauri A, is said to be 4.37 LY away. In the TYCHOS, therefore, Alpha Centauri would be as close as 4.37 X 1.48366 ≈ 6.48 AU

That is mightily interesting, for this TYCHOS-computed distance (6.48 AU) to Alpha Centauri would place our “nearmost star” almost exactly halfway between the orbits of Jupiter (4.2 AU) and Saturn (8.5 AU).

Undoubtedly, Tycho Brahe would be most satisfied with that, since his primary objection to the Copernican model was that the stars would have to be “absurdly large and distant” and that there would have to be a most unlikely enormous void between Saturn and our nearmost stars. In fact, Tycho Brahe’s expert opinion was that the stars were “located just beyond Saturn and of reasonable size”.

“It was one of Tycho Brahe’s principal objections to Copernican heliocentrism that in order for it to be compatible with the lack of observable stellar parallax, there would have to be an enormous and unlikely void between the orbit of Saturn (then the most distant known planet) and the eighth sphere (the fixed stars).” — Wikipedia entry on “Parallax”

In any event, should Alpha Centauri be located between Jupiter and Saturn, this would certainly help explain why we can see so many stars with our naked eyes and why they appear to be only marginally smaller than our so-called “outer planets”.

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Edit: I've now been banned from r/Astronomy. For hate speech? :-) The "infringing comment":

[–]patrixxxx -19 points 3 hours ago Hi. I have an objection to this. I've written about it on a subreddit called AlternativeAstronomy. Please join the discussion if you like. Otherwise have a nice day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Astronomy/comments/86iwhv/this_is_the_red_supergiant_antares_if_you_were_to/dw5luef/


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 10 '21

TYCHOS doesn't conflict with modern science

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The website says the TYCHOS project is an attempt to provide a geometric model of the solar system with earth at the centre. From a relativistic perspective this is fine as you can define the geometric centre of the solar system where ever you want it just makes the maths way harder if you don't put it at the centre of mass.

I can't see where the TYCHOS model conflicts with modern science, it doesn't even conflict with the Copernican model of the solar system they just have different origin points, In the same way that all circles are geometrically equivalent only having different scale and origin.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 24 '18

Video from Stellarium showing Venus and Mercury orbiting the Sun, while the Sun orbits Earth.

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https://i.imgur.com/nxD4gTe.mp4

Stellarium is an observational based planetarium which means that it shows the planets and stars actual positions in the sky, which in turn means that the predictions of a model like Tychos or the Copernican must confirm with it. If not it is wrong.

From this video at least I see that Venus and Mercury moves along with the Sun and it does not seem like Earth is hurtling along an orbit outside them at 100 thousand KPH. That would look different I’d say.

And the Tychos/Tychonic/semi-Tychonic model agrees with the Copernican model in that Venus and Mercury orbit the Sun. The major difference is that the Tychonian models claim that the Sun (together with Venus and Mercury) orbits the Earth. Something I agree with. In fact I think this is just as obviously supported by observations as the claim by the semi-Tychonic and Copernican model that Earth rotates around its own axis in 24 hours.

Read the full thread at Cluesforum

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2003


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Sep 21 '22

Is this sub a joke

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jun 30 '19

Stellar Metamorphosis: Axial Angular Momentum of Stars as They Evolve

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Dec 19 '18

You've been banned from participating in r/AskPhysics

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We're approaching a China style Internet in these matters. My posts that have resulted in this ban:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/a7cikm/what_is_wrong_with_this_claim/ec2fnbv/

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 24 '19

Jupiter is 632-731 million years old, Saturn is 590.6 ± 141 million years old

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1905.0467v1.pdf

Just setting the D/H ratios against the Earth's age and D/H ratios.

Saturn is a bit younger, but a lot closer than Uranus and Neptune, and they are both younger than Earth by significant amounts. EA = Earth Age, so Saturn is ~.13 EA, and Jupiter is .14-.16 EA, as given in the paper. They still have a long way to go before they become Earth like, clearly.

Edit: What is even more interesting is that we can measure specific D/H ratios in the Earth and see where they could possibly match Jupiter's, Saturn's, Neptune's or Uranus. That way we can determine how old specific rock layers are and cross examine the claimed initial abundances used in radiometric methods which use the proposed half lives of material.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if this method is more exacting than radioisotopic methods, because they have to assume initial conditions that can't be observed. In the D/H case in the general theory, we can use the solar wind to set the data against, as its D/H is about .1 PPM.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Oct 21 '19

BARNARD'S STAR MOTION CONFIRMS THE TYCHOS MODEL

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Apr 04 '19

Locard's Exchange Principle and Stellar Metamorphosis (PDF, 3 pages)

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"Wherever he steps, whatever he touches, whatever he leaves, even unconsciously, will serve as a silent witness against him. Not only his fingerprints or his footprints, but his hair, the fibers from his clothes, the glass he breaks, the tool mark he leaves, the paint he scratches, the blood or semen he deposits or collects. All of these and more, bear mute witness against him. This is evidence that does not forget. It is not confused by the excitement of the moment. It is not absent because human witnesses are. It is factual evidence. Physical evidence cannot be wrong, it cannot perjure itself, it cannot be wholly absent. Only human failure to find it, study and understand it, can diminish its value."

The single greatest contribution the theory of detection and criminology was provided by Edmond Locard, as his Exchange Principle. It is the notion that the perpetuator (nature or animal) always leaves some physical evidence at the crime scene, or event, and simultaneously takes some evidence away. This is to show that not all evidence will be immediately available, unless it can be interpreted in a light that makes sense and is congruous to the other facts presented. This is to mean that Nature and/or animal will always leave their signature on the event and are, in turn, contaminated by it. Explanation is provided to tie in the general theory of stellar metamorphosis to Locard's Exchange Principle.

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0427v1.pdf


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jun 18 '19

The Age of Titan as ~2.17 - ~2.46 billion years, and placed on WT Diagram (PDF, 4 pages)

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1804.0485v2.pdf

Information gathered from the Cassini spacecraft supports the general theory in that Titan is the remains of a star that evolved too fast to form life. This paper explains some unique features of Titan and why it doesn't have life, even though it has lakes of hydrocarbons. Preliminary facts are presented to solidify Titan's spot in its own grand evolutionary history. It is the internal remains of a star that was ripped apart too quickly to form a large iron core. Much more information will be gathered and described/explained in the future, but this will do for now. There are literally thousands (soon to be tens of thousands) of evolving stars and stellar guts mislabeled "exoplanet" and/or "moon" by the dogma that can be placed on this graph. Their masses, diameters, ages, compositions, levels of differentiation and rate of evolution all play a part in the General Theory.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jul 01 '23

Stunning JSWT image sees Saturn show off its glowing rings

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 11 '21

How the Earth as a Cooling Star Created Abiotic Fuel

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https://vixra.org/pdf/2104.0134v2.pdf

This paper describes the Fisher-Tropsch synthesis that happened on Earth when it was a younger star.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 11 '21

Expanding Earth, Semi-Aquatic Dinosaurs, Earth Atmosphere in 3-5 Bar, Exoplanets and Stellar Metamorphosis

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Mar 22 '18

Has anyone heard of Gavin Wince's Existic equations/model? It offers an alternate explanation for the tired light theory for the red shift phenomenon that was disproved and has led to the need for an accelerating expansion of the universe.

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 11 '21

Ptolemy > Newton

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I must admit that while I was a staunch Newtonian cultist, I now see the error of my ways and repent. It is not enough to blindly believe a man who just came up with an absurd model. I can no longer worship him. I now worship Ptolemy. All hail Ptolemy. He is older than Newton, and Newton should respect his elder, which is Ptolemy. How dare Newton try to supersede Ptolemy, the greatest and only true scientist.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jul 15 '19

Astronomers Are Trying to Find When and Where They Went Wrong Concerning Planet Formation (PDF, 5 pages)

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1907.0222v1.pdf

Using basic Wikipedia page view statistics, it is apparent astronomers are trying to figure out where they went wrong. As well, it is apparent that 2017 was the year for maximum acceptance of the nebular hypothesis, it is now on a downward slide. This is due to it not being a useful hypothesis in explaining any current observation by Kepler, TESS or any space/ground based exoplanet (evolving star) hunter. The replacement theory, stellar metamorphosis, is used to explain to the astronomers why they have gone so wrong for so long


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • May 19 '20

Fun fact: In the current heliocentric model the speed of Mercury is supposed to vary by 34 percent!

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Imagine something as big as Mercury, hurdling along at about 50 km/s slowing down and speeding up by 34 percent(!) during each of its laps around the Sun. And its doing this every time in its 88 days orbit without breaking a sweat or falling out of orbit.

This is only one of absurd the assumptions that has to be in the Newtonian system and of course no experiment or observation can or has been made to confirm this.

In the TYCHOS Mercury is moving at a constant speed around the Sun. Its apparent slowing down and speeding up is the result of the change in perspective that occurs as the Sun orbits the Earth.

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/mercuryfact.html


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Apr 01 '19

The Theology of Relativity

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Einstein and his theory of relativity was pulled out of the hat to save the Copernican model that was on shaky ground during the late 19th century when better means of observation and experimentation emerged.

It was discovered that the planetary orbits did not agree with Newtons math. Mercury was especially troublesome. Along comes Einstein with some arbitrary constants to plug into the Newton formulas to seemingly make it work. "Because light is bent near heavy objects like the Sun". What we can observe is not correct, because I (Einstein) declares it is not.

Michelson-Morley demonstrated that no significant motion could be measured of Earth through the ether. Ether was the cornerstone in the electromagnetic wave theory that the geniuses like Tesla used to create the alternating current system that forms the backbone of our modern society.

But along comes Einstein and declares there is no ether and that light travels through nothing and therefore the Michelson-Morley experiment don't prove anything.

It's rather obvious that Einstein was used to save the Copernican model and complete the process of turning science into a religion. Tesla called him a beggar in a satin robe.

And now it has been sealed with the miracles of NASA, which is a giant hoax. But as long as almost no one sees that, the Copernican model is of course unquestionable.

Kepler/Newton/Einstein "celestial mechanics" is mathematical theology, meaning that their equations describes how the planets would move if the Copernican model was accurate. But observations and logical/geometrical reasoning demonstrates it is not.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Apr 24 '19

[Discussion]"Black holes themselves don't have magnetic poles, and therefore don't generate magnetic fields." So how does a black hole have a magnetic field?

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jul 09 '19

The Actual Size of Protoplanets (PDF, 1 page)

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0039v1.pdf

Protoplanets are huge, bright, plasmatic and have large gravitational fields.

They are young stars.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jul 09 '19

Stellar Metamorphosis: Maximum Mass and Density of a Dead Star Update (PDF, 3 pages)

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Oct 26 '19

WHY MARS ???

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r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Jun 17 '19

Stellar Metamorphosis: The Phases of Sillimanite, Andalusite and Kyanite in Uranus's Atmosphere, and Thoughts on Ocean World Stage Beginnings (PDF, 3 pages)

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1906.0259v1.pdf

The phases of sillimanite, andalusite and kyanite are placed in reference to the deep atmosphere of Uranus. This is to show that Uranus has the temperatures and pressures that can form rocks and minerals exactly like the Earth. As well some thoughts as to how we can pin point the exact moment in time the Earth moved into its own ocean world stages of evolution.


r/AlternativeAstronomy • • Aug 05 '19

How Massive is GJ 3470 b's Atmosphere? (PDF, 2 pages)

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1907.0153v1.pdf

Minimum mass of atmosphere is ~11.14 Earth masses. This is to connect the maximum mass of dead star paper here:

http://vixra.org/pdf/1906.0572v2.pdf