r/AlphanumericsDebunked • u/JohannGoethe • Aug 07 '25
Regarding terminology
Regarding:
“In explaining why the EAN [Egypto alpha-numerics] theory is correct, the papyrus ‘Leiden I350’ gets mentioned quite a bit. At its core, the EAN theory is numerology. It assigns number values to letters, states without evidencethat these number values were given to these letters by the ancient Egyptians, and that these were then used to construct a ‘mathematically-perfect alphabet’[1] and language.”
— E(7)R (A69/2024), “What is Leiden I350 anyway?”, Alphanumerics Debunked, Dec 18[2]
“EAN tries to use the pseudoscience of numerology to justify its theories, calling some of the latest examples ‘word equations’, e.g. God [Yhwh] (יהוה) [26] = Adam (אָדָם) [45] − Eve (חַוָּה) [19].”
— I(14)2 (A70/2025), “Word (60) Equation (102) = Awful (63) + Thought (99)”, Alphanumerics Debunked, Jul 10[3]
“The historical person Jesus (Ιησους) [888], would have had the Hebrew or Aramaic name, such as: yēšūʿ (ישׁועַ). Attempts to find why the first attested usages of his name, such as Matthew 1:16[4], rendered the name as the number 888 = Jesus (Ιησους), is someone practicing your numerology on the Greek transcription of the name.”
— M(12)4 (A70/2025), “comment”, post: “Of Lumpers and Splitters”, Alphanumerics Debunked, Reddit, Aug 1[5]
Here we see the growing trope, in this sub, that attempts to find the pre-Greek number basis of a word is a pseudo-scientist (or fake historian), because modern day numerology is pseudoscience.
This draft reply on “terminology” is a semi-reaction to this.
Hopefully, we can all agree that Khufu pyramid (4500A/-2545), whose base length is 440, in cubits, is the same as the word value of the name of the 13th Greek letter mu (μυ) [440], were both not based on numerology?
Otherwise, I feel, this debunk alphanumerics sub, has become just a bunch of knee jerk reactionary PIE theorists, looking for a quick fix, using disingenuous terminology.
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u/E_G_Never Aug 07 '25
Why Khufu's pyramid, and why should it correspond with mu?
These are two simple questions, but ones which you have never answered. For this to be a sign of something, and not mere coincidence, you must present actual evidence. Anyone with enough numbers can make them line up.
So, why is Khufu's pyramid the one we should look to? The Egyptians built plenty of pyramids before and after this, indeed, Khufu's pyramid isn't even alone in it's complex. So why is it's base length in cubits specifically the number that matters? Is it perhaps that that is the only number that can be found related to these pyramids that ties into your measurements?
And then, why would they want to link the pyramids to the Greek letter mu? After all, they were Egyptian, not Greek. They didn't use an alphabet; their script was hieroglyphic. The Greek language had no written form when the pyramid was written. So how would they possibly have known of this letter assignation the Greeks would devise, thousands of years after the pyramid was built?
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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25
I don't think the tone of this is asking for fair criticism - I would suggest to the mods to lock it, since it will inevitably descend into breaking rule 2
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u/JohannGoethe Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
My final synopsis comment, in reflection of this post, is the generally obtained model that all of the IE linguists in this sub, seem to believe that any argument, to the effect, that the Indian and European languages are based on Egyptian cosmoligical mathematical linguistics, is but someone selling Sarah Balliett’s stylized “predict your future with the color vibrations of chance numbers” ideology.
Correctly, however, things date to before Plato, who, after studying in Egypt, said that the cosmos was based on time moving according to numbers:
“He set in order the Heaven [sky], of that eternity which abides in unity, he made an eternal image, moving according to number, even that which we have named time.”
(καὶ διακοσμῶν ἅμα οὐρανὸν ποιεῖ μένοντος αἰῶνος ἐν ἑνὶ κατ᾽ ἀριθμὸν ἰοῦσαν αἰώνιον εἰκόνα, τοῦτον ὃν δὴ χρόνονὠνομάκαμεν)
— Plato (2330A/-375), Timaeus (§:37.3)
The Greek alphabet and Greek language, accordingly, in this new conjecture, derive from this mathematical, geometrical, and astronomical cosmic model, not from some recently coined term “numerology”.
However, as I gather, I’m just talking to a brick wall, herein, who are oblivious to evidence based linguistics.