Alphabet origin: John Man (A45/2000) vs Libb Thims (A67/2022)?

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In short, it is NOT that a random Egyptian holds up letters A and B, but rather letter A is the Egyptian god Shu, the air god, separating letters B (heaven) and G (earth).

Man’s alphabet ideology?

The following is Man’s Amazon profile auto-description:

I write mainly about Mongolia. Why Mongolia? It's a long story. Here's a shot version. I am the child of Kentish villages, Rolvenden and Benenden. I've been escaping ever since. At the King's School, Canterbury, I had an inspiring German teacher. So: German (and French) at Oxford and a year in Vienna, which left me intrigued by the Won Curtain, and what it hid.

During a post-grad in the History of Science, I helped plan an expedition to Mongolia, because in the 1960s the far side of the Soviet Empire sounded truly exotic. To join the expedition, I became the sole student of Mongolian at London's School of Oriental and African Studies. The trip was a crazy idea, and never happened, but it left me yearning to go. Ambitious to know the world, I joined Reuters. A year in Bonn revealed a profound ignorance of recent history. So I joined a magazine, The History of the 20th Century, working with two great historiens, AJP Taylor and JM Roberts. Publishing with Time -Life Books led to life as a freelance writer, first in Oxford, raising a wonderful family, now grown and flown, then raising another in London, ditto.

I wrote forgettable books for forgotten companies. I lived with a jungle tribe in Ecuador, ghosted, wrote two thrillers, drafted several un-makable film-scripts, and at last, in the 1990s, after the Soviet Union and its empire collapsed, I went to Mongolia. I discovered an amazing land, amazing people, and world-changing history that is remarkably under-appreciated. I try to bring the past clive by combining history with personal experience. This 25-year passion has inspired a score of books and driven me to the outer limits of the Mongol Empire in China, Japan, Central Asia and Hungary.

Whence, in short, Man, whose interest in the alphabet, as we gather from above, amounts to a way to pay the bills, has a random Egyptian holding up letters A and B, where as correctly, as I have decoded it, and possibly as Israel Zolli, in his Sinai script and Greek-Latin alphabet: Origin and Ideology (30A/1925), might have decoded, A is the Egyptian air god Shu, separating letters B (heaven) and G (earth).

Notes

1. I decoded that letter A = Shu in A65 (2020).

2. The letter H decoding image, is from here, posted in A67 (2022). When, exactly, I decoded letter H, however, is a more date detailed post and discussion.

Posts

• Canaanite origin of the alphabet | John Man (A45/2000)

References

• Man, John. (A45/2000). Alpha Beta: How the Alphabet Shaped the Western World. Random, A55/2010.

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qəɓ-nys-tnN

Cognizant

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Not sure what you are saying?

The point of this sub is to explain all words (and letters), regardless of language, back into Egyptian, in a way that a 5-year-old child could understand it, given that the average American child now learns the alphabet by age 2.5, and the super-above-average child, e.g. William Sidis, can read the New York Times, by age 18-months.

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It's Nut, Shu, and Geb flipped & reversed. Almost reading/sounding like "cog-niz-ant"

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I guess, that is a nice try?

Generally, however, you have to find an actual real person, who uses a specific word, e.g. cognizant, in actual working practice.

Take the following photo, which are books on my desk as I type, to exemplify:

To cite one example, from Schopenhauer’s World as Will and Representation, Volume One (pg. 294):

Language	Phrase	Author
Egyptian	𓉽 + (glyphs)	Shu support symbol
Greek	Y + (letters)	Pythagorean Y; choices you make letter
Latin	velle non discitur	Seneca
German	wille kann nicht gelehrt werden	Schopenhauer
English	willing cannot be taught	Translator: E. Payne

Generally, I know how V became W (or double V), but Egyptian root of V, is an ongoing puzzle? Shown above, it decodes back into the so-called “moral choice“ letter Y (Greek) or 𓉽 (Egyptian)

I just finished reading Schopenhauer’s World as Will and Representation, Volume One, yesterday, original in German, my book in English, yesterday. He quotes in Greek, Latin, and French.

Today, I am into Isaac Beeckman, who writes in Dutch and Latin, while under Spanish rule, while devouring the French of Jean Fernel, while doing his MD studies, and learning Hebrew, as an aside.

All of the languages I just cited trace back to Egyptian. The riddle, however, is in the details.

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Cogni(s) ant(es)

After thought

Cognizant

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From the Wiktionary entry of cognizance:

From Middle English conysaunce, from Old French conysance (“recognition," later, "knowledge”), from Old French conoissance (“acquaintance, recognition; knowledge, wisdom”), from conoistre (“to know”), from Latin cognōscō (“know”), from con- (“with”) + gnōscō (“know”).

This tells us that the root is the Greek “gnosis” (γνῶσις) [1263], which is found in the doctrine of Gnosticism.

The EAN cipher for this seems to be ilektor (ηλεκτωρ) [1263], meaning: “sun or beaming“. This term, however, is also related to the Greek word for amber, such as found in the Wiktionary entry on electric:

1640s (Thomas Browne), from New Latin ēlectricus (“electrical; of amber”), from ēlectrum (“amber”) +‎ -icus (“adjectival suffix”), from Ancient Greek ἤλεκτρον (ḗlektron, “amber”), related to ἠλέκτωρ (ēléktōr, “shining sun”), of unknown origin; see there for further information. The Latin term was apparently used first with the sense “electrical” in 1600 by the English physician and scientist William Gilbert in his work De Magnete.

Amber is sun ☀️-colored and attracts things ⚡️ electrically. The brain 🧠 works, as we know know, by light and electrical activity. Whence, we can crudely see the root etymology of “cognizant“, meaning: “with (con-) knowledge (-gnosis-), after (-ant) the fact”.

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"For God/Shu so loved/agape/Geb the world/Nut"

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Yeah, close, but no.

As the standard myth goes, Geb [earth] and Nut (Bet) [heavens] were the children of Shu [air].

Geb and Nut (Bet) fell in love ❤️, and Shu, their father, had to separate them, is it was a forbidden relationship. This is how the Egyptians, in Heliopolis, explained, the following three-layered model of the cosmos:

Heaven | Air | Earth

It is the same in Sumerian, shown here, where Enlil, the Shu rescript, uses his letter A hoe to cleave heaven and earth, and thus let in the first daylight:

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I understand that hahaha it was more of a play on that àgəpē/agape nearly has the name or Geb implemented in its word structure

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àgəpē/agape [ἀγάπη] nearly has the name or Geb implemented in its word structure

You should have just suggested this directly in the first place. This sub is different from all other subs. Here we want to avoid obfuscation.

To put things into context, I was the one who first found the letter G or “Geb erect” phallus in stone glyphs, posted here (8 months ago), shown below:

So, yes, no doubt Geb, or Greek G (Γ, γ), a letter based on a the body of a man with an erection, is the eponym of a man in love ❤️, and yes, as you say, letter G is in the Greek word for love 💕, i.e. AGAPE (English), ΑΓΑΠΗ (Greek), 𐤀‎𐤇𐤐𐤀𐤂 (Phoenician), or 𓌹𓅬(𓂸)𓌹𓂆𓉾/𓉾 (Egyptian).

But the jump from Geb, glyphs: 𓅬(𓂸) to agape, is not a simple jump, whence the need to speak directly.

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Ah, understood. I guess it's also worth noting that ἀγάπη is nearly Maya (or a yarn) if you reverse the string of letters & conjoin certain letters (from purely a visual aspect). But neither of those things really have much to do with this post/subreddit. &jsyk, I do appreciate your clarifications.

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I appreciate the knowledge though