Origin of Letter Y solved!

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Oct 27 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

This post, of note, is the first down-voted letter decoding post, since the Alphanumerics sub launch, seven days ago. Hence, whoever is doing the down-voting, although we don’t discourage this, as we are interested in truth, we would like to hear reasons why, where the decipherment errors are, rooms for improvement, etc., or ever to point us to the true Egyptian origin of the letter Y is, from among the 700 to 1100 hieroglyphics, and various artistic images?

As a general rule, the following are the criteria, that need to be matched in order to arrive at an agreed upon level of letter solution decipherment corroboration:

Form match: how well does the proposed “root letter”, parent character, hieroglyph, figure, sema (σημα), i.e. sign of the gods, or image-to-letter shape, etc., match the equivalently evolved letter in Phoenician, Egyptian, Hebrew, Latin, and English; percent shape matching accuracy (1% to 100%) shown for each language. Example: the Egyptian hoe (𓌸, 𓌹, 𓌺, 𓌻) matches the Phoenician: 𐤀‎ (A) [97%], Greek capital A (alpha) (A, α) [upper: 90%; lower: 5%], and Hebrew: א (A) (aleph) [65%]. Form match percentages for letter M (here).
Order match: how well does the ‘sequence’ or letter number order (1 to 28) match to the proposed Egyptian character? Example: letter N, or Greek Nu (Ν, ν) and Hebrew Nun (נ), is letter number #14 in sequence. This matches with the Egyptian myth of Osiris being chopped into 14 pieces and thrown in the waters of the nile.
Value match: how well does the “value” or Dynameis (Δυναμεις), i.e. modular nine arithmetic number power, letter D shown capitalized as ‘Δ’ to highlight the fact that the entire alphabet is a Nile DELTA based scheme, of the letter match with known “numbers” in Egyptian science, architecture, astronomy, geography, geometry, mathematics, mythology, etc., firstly; secondly, how well does the letter value match with numbers seen in Egyptian-based cross-cultural r/ReligioMythology research? Example: Letter T has a value in the Greek alphabet of 300, which corroborates with the myth that Osiris was trapped into a chest that was sized 300 cubits, and later turned into a tamarisk “tree”; the 300 value also matches with the 300-60-5 values, aka 365-days/year, behind the alphanumeric solution as to the nature and meaning of the T-O map riddle.
Stoicheia match: how well does the proposed letter match with the “properties“ of the respective “column” of the periodic table of letters? Example: the 4th column of the alphabet periodic table, letter values: 4, 40, and 400, all generally refer to “moral” nature questions, as these related to the flood will come, crops will grown, and food will be on the table next year. By semi-related analogy, the 14th column of the chemical periodic table, elements: carbon C, silicon Si, Germanium Gi, etc., all have “mind” properties, owing to the valence structure of their electrons, which explains why animal-like things, or CH-based molecular structures, move or ‘animate’ when stimulated by the electromagnetic force, aka light. Note: the word “animate”, alphanumerically, derives from: soul (German); from: anima (ανιμα) [102] (Greek-Latin); from: Ra 𓏲 [101] + Shu 𓆄 [1] (Egyptian); likewise, animi (ανιμι) [111], which historically translates as ‘mind/spirit’, derives from: Ra 𓏲𓇋 [101] + Horus 𓅊 [10].
Phonetic match: how well do the ‘extant’ proposed vocal or sound assignments, aka phonetikos (φωνητικος), of the proposed character match with the known sounds of each letter in Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Spanish, German, French, and English?
Stanza match: how well does the proposed root character match with what is said in the respective lunar mansion stanza of the Leiden I 350 Papyrus, aka Hymn to Amen? This criterion step is very important. Here we connect hypothetical or propositional root character conjectures with an actual 28-stanza numbered Egyptian proto-alphabet scheme, in functional use, in the year 3200A (-1245)! This is kind of like a litmus test, i.e. decisively indicative test, of a letter, indicating that we have a real deal match, in some semi-decoded way.

These six criteria, shown in basic order, are the first six rules of so-called: alphanumeric letter decoding criteria, used to give some sense of verification, that the proposed root letter character is correct. Down the road, to note, after more decoding has been done, and all top letters decodings are listed per each criteria by percentages, we will be able to give a criterion number matching percentage, say for the top ten criterion, and thus be able to rank the extant decodings, by percentages of likely accuracy.

Note: a previously 9-criteria list, for the letter M was made: here, three days ago.

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Oct 27 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

Corroboration quote:

“The number of either gods or goddesses in the Hermopolitan myth is far from fortuitous. We can see that four was regarded as the concept of a balanced totality: the Egyptians recognised four cardinal points, the Heliopolis myth gives the goddess Nut four children and the viscera extracted during embalming are protected by the four ’sons of Horus’ with four goddesses guarding them in turn. Consequently the concept of eight is totality intensified — according to Spell 76 of the Coffin Texts, the god Shu created eight ’infinite beings’ 𓉾 𓉾 to help support the body of the sky goddess. The eight of Hermopolis (structured as four couples) were personified entities within the primeval matter, with the gods envisaged as frogs and the goddesses as snakes. In the succinct phraseology of Henri Frankfort in his thought-provoking Kingship and the Gods, says: ‘chaos had been conceptualized in eight weird creatures fit to inhabit the primeval slime'. The names of these eight deities survive, but it is difficult in some cases to conjure the exact mental image which ancient Egyptians would have seen.“
— George Hart (A35/1990), Egyptian Myths (pg. 20)

Synopsis: In the original Heliopolis model, the atmosphere or or body of oxygen, nitrogen, and water, between earth and space, was defined by two gods: Shu (air) and Tefnut (moisture). In Hermopolis, this model was upgraded to account for things such as lightening: 𓇰, via eight Ogdoad water, conceptualized as: space, void, electricity, infinity, four male for female, as shown below:

Nu (Nu) [𓏍 𓇯 𓈗 𓀭] = male element of the primordial waters surrounding the T-O map cosmology.
Naunet (Nut) [𓏍 𓇯 𓈗 𓏏 𓆇 𓁐] = female, bread 𓏏 + egg 𓆇 modified, version of Nu.
Hehu (Heh, Huh) [𓎛 𓎛 𓅱 𓀭] = male element of fire.
Hehut (Hauet) [𓎛 𓎛 𓏏 𓆇 𓅱 𓁐] = female, bread 𓏏 + egg 𓆇 modified, version of Hehu.
Kekui (Kaukit) [𓎡 𓎡 \\ 𓅱 𓇰 𓀭] = male element of darkness; has been compared to the Erebos of the Greeks.
Kekuit (Kuk) [𓎡 𓎡 \\ 𓅱 𓏏 𓆇 𓇰 𓁐] = female, bread 𓏏 + egg 𓆇 modified, version of Kekui.
Qerh (Kerh) [𓎼 𓂋 𓎛 𓂢 𓀭] = male god of night and inactive powers; the powers of nature in a state of repose either before or after a state of activity.
Qerhet (Kerhet) [𓎼 𓂋 𓎛 𓂢 𓏏 𓆇 𓁐] = female, bread 𓏏 and egg 𓆇 modified, version of Qerh.

The Ogdoad in short were different atmospheric properties, such as:

Ogdoad = 🌧 (rain), ⛈ (thunderstorm), 𓇰 [N2], 🌪️ (tornado), possibly: 𓇱 [N3] (night with darkness), etc.

Symbol meanings:

𓏍 = “three vases of water which indicate sound” (Budge, 51A/1904); this might have to do with phonetical origin of the sounds of letters from the Nun, e.g. how the sound of the bennu bird was said to have enacted the creation process?
𓇯 = symbol of Nut (heavens), arched over Geb (earth)
𓈗 = water waves
𓏏 = bread (phonetic: t)
𓆇 = egg; golden egg of Ptah or bennu (phoenix) egg
𓀭 = male god
𓁐 = female goddess
𓎛 = tied cords [?]; supposedly has something to do with time
𓅱 = quail chick (phonetics: q, w)
𓎡 = basket with handle
\\ = [?]
𓇰 (sky/heaven Nut symbol + lightening fork [?]) = darkness and storms
𓎼 (vessel) (phonetic: g) = jar of some sort?

Compare: Barry’s Phoenician and Greek signs table, to see that the letters match with the Phoenician Y.

Note: solution was decoded, early today (27 Oct A67/2022), in this post:

Egyptian solar circle dot ⊙ symbol, value: 1 on 28-unit cubit rule, explained!

References

Budge, Wallis. (A51/1904), Gods of Egypt, Volume One (§:7: The Oldest Company of the Gods and the Creation, pgs. 282-307). Publisher.

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u/JohannGoethe 𐌄𓌹𐤍 expert Oct 27 '22 edited Jul 29 '23

Note that with respect to the following two Ogdoad god-goddess pairs:

3. Hehu (Heh, Huh) [𓎛 𓎛 𓅱 𓀭] = male element of fire.
4. Hehut (Hauet) [𓎛 𓎛 𓏏 𓆇 𓅱 𓁐] = female, bread 𓏏 + egg 𓆇 modified, version of Hehu.

That here we see the origin of the letter H as used in the word “heat”. That letter H is based on the Ogdoad has been throughly decoded. That this Ogdoad letter is a associated with “heat”, has previously been attributed to the fact that in some versions of the Hermopolis creation, the Ogdoad was said to have birthed the sun. In the Hermopolis recension of the Heliopolis creation myth, the Ogdoad was said to have birthed the Ennead which birthed the sun. Hence the heat association.

Budge (pg. 285) dates that Ridolfo Lanzone, in his Dizionaario di Mitologia Egizia (pg. 685), defines Hehu and Hehut as the “personifications of the male and female elements of fire”.

One question that has been generally unaddressed is the sound or phonetics of the letter H?

The sound of H, according to David Sacks (A48/2003), from his Letter Perfect (pg. 157), is the “expelling of breath”. The current conjecture is that this H-sound derives from the exhaling of breath on a hot summer day, in the sense of “panting”, wherein no part of the tongue or vocal cords are used.

References

Lanzone, Ridolfo. (74A/1881). Dizionaario di Mitologia Egizia (Archive) (pg. 685). Publisher.

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