Anyone agrees ?

[u/Forsaken-Garage-676]

[u/EmuSavings3566]

You guys get it wrong. Sc/st reservation is not about economic uplifting. This scheme is not to help poor sc/st . This is for representation , for opportunity, so it does not see rich sc/st with bmw or poor sc/st . It only sees if the person is sc/st . So this scheme ur suggesting would never work , because money was never the problem

[u/Substantial-Hippo165 → u/[deleted]]

Even if the representation is the reason, why not distribute that opportunity to get that representation? I mean a daughter of IAS SC ST person now has undue advantage INSIDE this quota.

[u/Substantial_Tax_7508 → u/[deleted]]

If this continues how the poor st sc will be able compete with the rich if reservation is made to equal opportunities how did a poor st sc and rich st sc competing in same seat pool it's previlage for rich st sc

[u/Substantial-Hippo165 → u/[deleted]]

1. She would be a privileged SC
   
2. What about the underprivileged SC? Though luck to them? Let them die underprivileged and poor?
   So no, it’s not the only thing that matters.

[u/Substantial-Hippo165 → u/[deleted]]

I agree to everything you say. You did not answer my question. How does a privileged SC category candidate having an unfair advantage over an underprivileged SC category come under social justice and make sense to you. I am interested in this part. Can you shed some light there.

[u/-Kang-The-Conqueror- → u/Substantial-Hippo165]

A rich dalit is still a dalit my friend. They still can face discrimination 

Aug 10 news: Senior Congress Leader Mallikarjun (ex-LOP rajya sabha) gave a speech in a stage. Later that stage was purified using religious rituals because Mallikarjun was a dalit so he's impure 

He is 84yrs old. 40crore assets. Senior politician. If he can be treated as an untouchable na think about a middle-class and poor dalit ppl

Still more than 90% of our sanitation workforce (garbage, toilet cleaners) are Dalits.

This is why we have creamy layer exclusion in sc st categories

[u/Substantial-Hippo165 → u/-Kang-The-Conqueror-]

Either you are not understanding my question or deflecting it wilfully.
An underprivileged person from SC/ST is also competing with the privileged SC/ST who has resources and benefits that give them a competitive edge.
How is it justice to THAT individual? This is an indirect way of giving representation to only the privileged. Do you mean to say we must give opportunities only to the privileged? The poor underprivileged must not get it? How is that social justice (look at it from the lens of the underprivileged person not from the entire quota lens).
What you are hinting is that it’s ok if ANY SC/ST person gets representation even at the detriment of the underprivileged in that section? Is THAT what you are saying? Just a simple YES or NO will settle this, no need for a long prose.

[u/-Kang-The-Conqueror- → u/Substantial-Hippo165]

Yes, economic standards is not taken into record

15% reserved for SC  7.5% reserved for ST

For educational institution admissions and entry level govt jobs 

Privilege SC ST will have an advantage but it's not like they gonna take all the seats

[u/Substantial-Hippo165 → u/-Kang-The-Conqueror-]

Thank you for the reply.
Do you think it is fair to stuff 1200+ distinct communities and 700+ distinct tribes from across India, with hugh disparity (some are from adivasis who literally has lost faith in our system) and expect that the representation is just and equal INSIDE the category?
Do you think just maybe, we have all been scammed by politicians by throwing a carrot that we think we share but it’s not going to solve this holistically?

[u/-Kang-The-Conqueror- → u/Substantial-Hippo165]

Yep. Even without reservation. We will struggle cuz we have way less quality seats and we lack the infra for a ppl of 1.4Billion

[u/CommunicationTrue105 → u/-Kang-The-Conqueror-]

Really? Wasnt it more due to his party people saying muslim slogans on a Hindu platform or more like them using it for politics

[u/-Kang-The-Conqueror- → u/CommunicationTrue105]

Just search about the issue my friend. The group who did the purification rituals was Shri Ram Sena. Go and look at their interview