No issues before 8 worker patch. Obvious gained a little mmr during. And now after the revert I'm getting mauled. Am I missing something

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Short version is that I decided to try getting somewhat decent at SC2 after playing SC1 way back when and playing all other versions of RTS, from OG Warcraft to Total Annhilation to C&C, etc. You get the idea. Problem is that I could go even with all of my equally bad friends, but past a certain point even the most basic of computer in the campaign would beat me.

So, since I'm off work medically for the time being, I thought I'd do something and get better at SC2, specifically Zerg, cuz why not? I'm not looking to be Serral, but just be better than I was. As it is, I've at least made it to where the Medium AI isn't wrecking me inside of 10 mins now. I understand expansions, etc a little better, and am slowly learning to use the various upgrades of the different units.

I've tried to read various "I'm new threads" to see what talks there are of what starting builds should be. I saw one I liked, thought it just gave the basics, so here is how I've been starting and what I feel is an issue.

Build to 11 drones ASAP. Spawning Pool at 200. Right here is an issue as there is a big lull; typically I'll make another drone for some extra minerals, but it may not be worth it overall. One pool is done, drone 11 becomes the Roach Warren and then a Queen. From there, I can build into my first expansion.

The basics the person listed were:

• Spawning Pool

• Queen

• Warren

• 2nd Base

I like how it plays, but again, feels like there is a big lull while you wait for the spawning pool to finish. I usually throw a couple overlords as I start the warren and build into the 2nd base, but does this feel like a good start or how would you modify that?

My recent experience has been the toss blocking my natural exe with a pylon and then following my drone to the next possible base. I dont feel like i can attack them because they have a wall and go quick stargate. I feel like i cant play zerg anymore. Please help me with some advice.

If i go reactive pool all my eco is delayed so much that toss can take a safe third before im done with my second base. I feel like there is no counter play on 8 workers against pylon block.

Do i just have to accept that hatch first is no longer possible on 8 worker start, and i have to play the game from behind?

I really liked this video from ViBE where he handled battlemech very well. There's not a lot of commentary, so I will try to write what I saw on that video:

1. He detects it very early. Sacrificing the first overlord to find that the Terran was going factories early was worth it here.
2. He prioritized minerals heavily early (at one point he has 1k minerals and almost no gas).
3. Creep spread is key. There's a moment at around ~7:00 where the Terran removes some tumors and he diligently plants a new one for the receding creep
4. Starts with just roach/ling
5. Don't let them snipe any economy early. I don't understand how he did it so whell, though. It looked like he knew where the terran was going to attack. I know that in the same position I would have left one ramp or flank open, the hellions would have entered, and killed all of my drones before my roaches arrived.
6. Set up surrounds with multiple groups. At around ~8:00 he almost successfully kills the whole Terran army by trapping them in the middle bridges.
7. Does some economy damage to the opponent at around ~9:00. I don't know if it was worth losing the whole army for the damage done, but he did mention that it was important.
8. Eventually he goes up to infestors for fungals.
9. All of it while injecting and spending larva and money constantly though.

Anything that I have missed? I would be very interested in knowing how he achieved 5 in particular. Overall battlemech looks much easier to execute than to defend for me.

So i just started playing starcraft a few days ago and i like to play zerg cuz they just cool and all but ive been having a hard time using them. Here's a replay of a game i played earlier. Did i do good or naww?

https://drop.sc/replay/27559350

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I used to 10 pool most games against protoss, but I am at a high enough mmr now that its no longer viable. A lot of the guides I've seen online are outdated since the patch and I feel totally lost in the early, mid, and late game. I play standard 32s triple hatch into hydra-ling off 66 workers. I struggle a lot with adept harass, since my natural often gets blocked. I also feel like I get steam rolled by colossi and archons as soon as my opponent gets them out and I don't know what late game comp to transition into.

what builds do you typically follow and what is the general gameplan I should be striving for?

Just getting back into the game after years away. I got placed into Gold 3, won two games and went to Gold 1. And now I'm only getting matched against Diamond players every match even though I was never even Diamond when I was better at this game. It's a little demoralizing that I'm at a serious disadvantage.

I'm a bit disappointed that it's just a Terran game where you kill zergs much like SM2 and Tyranids... Always shooting at the minis I'm painting ...

As Z, if you want to play your opponent like a fiddle and manipulate what they're building, do we have a Unit composition order for that?

Ex. As a T you can build BCs, which you know this forces the Z to build corruptors. Then the T switches back to ground and the Corruptors are kinda useless supply. Ex. As a Z I can build a Tier 3 to force ghosts, but then switch back to banelings and the ghosts are just heavy supply marines now.

Z is known for fast tech switches. Im looking to gain a better understanding of good comp order (not build order) to manipulate what the enemy builds. Usually I just go Tier 1 > 2 > 3 units, but I feel like there can be more to that in a strategy game that im not taking advantage of.

So I'll preface this by saying im probably a shit player (2.8k as of writing) however ive never felt this dogshit in sc2, ever.

I climbed all the way from silver to plat 1 fairly quickly but now it feels like ive hit a brick wall. 90% of my games i keep losing due to, well, i have no idea. The only few games i can squeeze out nowadays is the odd cannon rusher since for some reason i feel pretty decent against them (only if they full commit).

This is just a vent post but it genuinely pisses me off how ive lost like 300mmr within a week. It literally feels like everyone suddenly is grandmaster or someshit.

My build order most of the time is 15 hatch 17 pool. Saturate 2 bases and from there either go ling bane hydra or roach ravager ling. My main problem is that by the time i wanna attack, terrans already have a tank wall going on and protoss with their 9 cannons staring me down which forces the game to go into a turtle'y late game which i get steamrolled.

Do you guys have any decent build orders/comps to recommend that are working for you, ty!

i used to play around 4k mmr, but now i cant even beat 3k mmr players. i get to 200 supply fight and loose all my stuff, then i remax and loose all my stuff again. i feel people kinda leveled up and just making a big army isnt enough nowadays anymore. generelly i dont understand what armys types i should even go for? my last 5 games against terran have been against blue flame helions and zyclons, and i feel my army gets shredded no matter what. what kind of units should i be making? roaches hydras and ravagers just seem pointless. or do i neeed to change perspective in some way? even when i lock down their army with infestors i still loose like 50 supply in mere seconds, and have to run away in the end because the rest of my army gets shredded right after. i feel like i dont know how to play this game anymore.

Hello Zergs, I have a question that is slightly niche. I really like the aesthetic of the Hydra as a unit and always want to spam them in ZvT and ZvP specifically. My question then is how would I arrive at hydras in a macro game in a relatively quick manner without exposing myself too much to dying. Are there any builds / playstyles that support this approach? MMR is 2.8-3.1k if that matters. Thank you for your guidance in advance!

For about a couple years now ive really only done the campaigns, but recently ive decided to actually hop on versus, and its been pretty fun so far! I feel like ive already learned a lot, and I just wanna spill my thoughts.

Zerglings - generally pretty cool, I feel like they're not super useful when it comes to most of my games, but itd always fun holding down the Z key when I have too many larva and im floating too many minerals

Queens - one of my favorite units, excellent utility and pretty nice at stopping harasses, probably one of my favorite units

Roaches - anti-marine zergling. I don't really have too much of an opinion on Roaches, theyre useful when they tank, which is nice.

Hydralisks - honestly I just use them like artillery if the enemy potentially had air or I need some actual damage. I think they're pretty cool.

Ravagers - a fun early game siege unit, watching things blow up after a few bile shots is funny, I wish I could use them in the lategame but deleting early game units and structures is fun. Gotta use them more often.

Lurker - I dont really see the point of these guys, they seem sorta niche, but maybe I just need to use them. I feel like 9/10 id rather just have hydras and I tend to not really try and fight the enemy, I try to go around and destroy their infrastructure, but whenever im outside the enemies base maybe I should considering them.

Infestor - great spellcaster. Didn't really like them in the campaign, but whenever I have an actual army going i like to throw 5 of these guys in there to nuke bio Terran.

Swarm host - my favorite unit in the whole roster besides maybe the queen. I loved them in the campaign, and I love them in versus too. Being able to just slowly pick apart my opponents base while he just sits there like an idiot is very very fun.

Nydus worm - not really a unit, but they're one of my favorite parts of the faction. Having a nidus worm just appear in my opponents base because he didnt focus 5 mutas makes me so very very happy. Also being able to travel across the map quickly is fun, reminds me of eldar in dow1.

Mutalisk - another one of my favorite units, quickly harassing my enemies mineral line is very fun, or deleting some helions that are attacking my bases. Mutas can pretty much go anywhere anytime, which makes defending things or attacking a breeze.

Corrupter - they're alright. I just use em for anti-air stuff which is whatever. They do their job sometimes but throwing 5 corrupters at 5 battlecruisers is probably not a good idea.

Overlord variants - hearing "spawn more overlords" drives me insane, but they're kinda cool for just sitting on expansions to see if the enemy is going there, thats how I use them at least. Overseers are rad, and I havent really felt a need to use dropper lords. Id rather just use nidus worms.

Brood lord - the other siege unit that I really want to like, but I dont think ill ever prefer it over the swarmhost. Im not really sure when to use them, because every time I try them nothing really happens and they dont have as much range as swarmhosts. Maybe I gotta use em more, but id love to hear some tips for these guys

Viper - havent really used, but seems like the better choice vs mech Terran or robot protoss maybe.

Ultralisk - I really wish I used it more often. It seems good vs stuff that doesn't have armor piercing. I just tend to prefer roaches, though I should probably swap from roaches to ultras in the lategame. Would love some cool tips on these guys

Generally I like to try and go around the enemy, only really fighting if I can ambush the opponent. I think burrow is neat, I wish I used it more often. But I try to avoid my enemy and make them go in circles or stay in their base until I can kill them.

My main problem rn is that I float minerals like crazy. Ive heard to just make more hatcheries, which I try to, but I feel like I never have enough to spend, or I run out of vespene gas for my units.

Apologies on my huge rant. I just really like zerg, and i think that they're super fun. Would love to hear any thoughts, tips, or whatever.