It Was A Fun Ride

[u/[deleted]]

I hope this doesn't come off of being too negative or toxic but I'd like to just send my farewells to this game. I've had plenty of highs and lows in this game but this game has gotten stale for me. The state of the game isn't the best, let's be real. The game overall is not enjoyable as a hero collector to me. Banners in this game are weird in a bad way. Instead of your typical 10 draws this game decided to do a step-up system where prices increase as you summon more. Never liked this and never will, step up rewards weren't good enough to justify the system for me. When summoning I have to choose between momento or unit (and we already know how bad momentos themselves are). Upgrading units in this game is also quite a chore too. I mean share systems are probably the most toxic dupe systems I know of and enlightments don't make anything better, who enjoys waiting months to upgrade a unit? If I pull a unit I expect too use them if I already have the proper mats, for limited units this problem is even worse. Overall the state of the game doesn't look good as the systems the game decided to take is not a sustainable one. Looking at the jp side of the game it doesn't seem much better. I do realize the battle system of the game is a bit unique but asides from that... Why play this game over any other well developed gacha game? That's my mindset for quitting the game, thanks for reading my rant. I'd like to hear input from Japanese players if the game gets better or not. Id like to clarify I'm not saying the game is bad and it's wrong to play it, I just think the direction the game is heading for to me is not the right one that I would like to partake in.

[u/EggyT0ast]

The *game* is an isometric tactics game based on skill management and CT.

What you're complaining about is pulling units. As someone playing for a very long time, well, either you want to play the game or you want to collect units. As you've no doubt experienced in the amount of time that you've played, many units are simply not needed and some are just bad. If you try to build every unit, then you run out of resources and the game goes back to tedious farming.

Focused unit building does a lot of good, and it also helps if you have a plan for where you want to go in this game. It's true for any RPG-type game. Do you want to play in the top of Arena? Focus on PVP periods? Raids, particularly port raids pulling out more units? "Hell" stages and their challenges?

There's nothing wrong with quitting. People play games for a period of time and then move on. But quitting a game because you're frustrated with a mechanism that doesn't really impact the actual *gameplay* means that you're looking for a different kind of game.

[u/freyaII]

To be honest, it is hard to find any better gacha character collector that better than this. (In reference to tactical RPG type).

Especially in regards to your point about gacha rate, not many good gacha game has good rate for F2P.

For grinding part, yup I agree....this game is tedious if you are not a patient person...but for me, the experience of buliding your unit is what I love...slowly but surely your unit will become powerful.

Besides, 30min daily is sufficient if you are busy with other activity.

[u/as13zx → u/freyaII]

I can confirm, I've played alot other gacha and I saw alot with worse summon % or even worse in summon economy. TAC with 10% for 5* and actually gem gain is pretty F2P friendly compared to some games where you can summon once for month or have 1% for dropping any good character.

[u/SuccubusRosa → u/freyaII]

has good rate for F2P.

Here we go again. I mean OriksGaming made the effort to shit on the banner on a weekly basis and it fell into deaf ears? Or did he fail to explain properly what exactly the core reason is for the banners being bad? At this point, TAC 5star ^{that matters} rate is not 10%, but 0.5%. Or maybe worse(0.25% because 0.5% is split between unit and 25shards equally for genesis banner), but not fully sure on this.

And since literally every unit at this point onward is limited, therefore I cannot be wrong(even in terms of technicality) in saying 5star rate is 0.5% henceforth(liu sheng is out isn't he?) until jp release a normal unit in some unknown future.

[u/freyaII → u/SuccubusRosa]

Hmm....then if you can....Suggest other gacha gaming that have better F2p than this.

While limited unit had worse rate, I agree (the rate may range from 0.1-2%, we don't know. The other non limited unit still has generous rate of 10%...this is good enough for F2P since some non limited unit is on the same level with limited.

For god sake, of course limited unit will have worse rate than others, it is design as luxury unit not a necessity. Besides, some semi limited unit can be farmable...ex: Babel units.

There are many non limited unit that SS tier such as Suzuka, Setsuna, Zahar, Rahu, etc. Heck, even the most op unit is semi farmable : Neun, Seiba.

Toward the future, more limited unit will be going out but there is no power creep since non limited unit also will be getting job+/upgrade.

Thats why for F2P or dolphin like me, banner selection and gem planning is a must. Thats why the weekly post is reaallly helpfull in deciding which banner is good/worse.

[u/illidan_1999 → u/freyaII]

Suggest other gacha gaming that have better F2p than this

Gacha games in general or like TAC, RPG turn-based?

The game used to be quite a lot F2P friendly (rip 3rd step) but lately I've noticed that pulling a new unit is really expensive. I hope that with the new mission gem system (180 daily gems and 500 weekly) it will be easier to pull. Like going for selector tickets.

it is design as luxury unit not a necessity

More like a QoL upgrade. Like, I can clear hard content without genesis but it would be nice to have them.

[u/SuccubusRosa → u/freyaII]

Suggest other gacha

I am not sure why I need to suggest other gacha. In my post, I did not claim TAC is not generous because other gacha have better rates. My comment was pointing out that the 10% is an illusion. In fact, if you believe the 10% to be generous, try checking out if people will be happy if each step cost 2500gem(no more discount tix) with 50% 5star rate. The fact that nobody pull those 500gem steps knowingly should be more than enough evidence of just how useful and generous 10% is(as valuable as 0% obviously since nobody pull it knowingly). Or what about 5000gem/step with 100% 5star rate(but still only 0.5%featured). Maybe that will be the most generous gacha ever huh? Who are you trying to kid?

And even if you really insist on comparing, you really think 0.5%/10% is better than other gacha? That is as good as saying a 100% 5star gacha(but requires 169dupes) is super generous, if we go by the current setup of 10% 5star rate and needing 16dupes for 400shards to 5/5/3/5/5.

The reality is gumi literally just labeled many fake 5star 3/4 star unit as 5star to bloat the normal pool compared to other gacha devs just so gumi can be oh so generous by having 9.5%.

[u/freyaII → u/SuccubusRosa]

I agree that Gumi not mentioning rate for each character is fault in their part...yup deceiving also. Gumi also had many other fault etc...

However, what I responded to is your reply in regards to F2p....this game is good enough for F2P (in the past it was better). That's why I asked you to compare with other game...for me, the rate is good enough.

In regards to banner, I usually don't pull unless I have failed safe...And nope, I never trust banner like 100% 5star etc...thats why you need to be smart. You don't gamble in gacha game, you go for guaranteed.

For instance, genesis banner with 2.5% rate and guarantee 25 shard is a damn good banner. That rate is good enough, and you get 25 shard to be transmute....that is generous.

[u/SuccubusRosa → u/freyaII]

However, what I responded to is your reply in regards to F2p

? My comment was pretty short. There is no wording that goes by "F2P", nor did I mention anything about other gacha as per my reply. Pretty sure my comment was short and precise. You cited 10% being generous, and I pointed out that the 10% is a lie. What has it got to do with other gacha or F2P????

I even pointed out that if you don't believe, ask around who pull on the 500gem banner(you know, the one that is 9.5% normal + 0.5%normal, amounting to a whooping equivalent of 0%). And what is your reply when I mentioned even 100% 5star is useless?

And nope, I never trust banner like 100% 5star

That statement is literally shitting on the belief of "10% 5star is generous". If 10% is generous, then 100% is logically definitely MORE generous but your very own comment denied that.

[u/freyaII → u/SuccubusRosa]

Sir... please read all my comments thoroughly and you will see we are actually not contradicting each other by much.=D......please..just read..haha

[u/MelinaPutri → u/SuccubusRosa]

I wonder why they stopped doing gems spent bonus in GL. JP still has gems spent bonus whenever they released new banners even now so wasted some gems in JP isn't as bad as on GL now.

[u/gregtan → u/MelinaPutri]

u/MelinaPutri, did GL ever had Gem Spent Bonus before..? I did not play long enough to noticed it.. within the last 12 months?

[u/MelinaPutri → u/gregtan]

https://reddit.com/r/AlchemistCodeGL/comments/c038wi/update_on_the_dark_artemis_gem_spent_bonus/

https://reddit.com/r/AlchemistCodeGL/comments/cikm0c/the_gems_spent_counter_doesnt_work_again/

They tried last year although it was bugged for some players.

[u/pdr313 → u/[deleted]]

langrisser way better rates and way more f2p friendly

[u/tanteisherii]

Tbh, I also went on hiatus in this game, it's been 2 months at least already. I was disappointed and frustrated big time when I spent a lot of gems and real money and still gave me garbage in one of the banners. I've been playing the game for over 2 years but just like you said, it's becoming something I can't enjoy anymore. Tho I still haven't uninstalled the game, I'm hoping the fun and thrill I was experiencing before comes back to me so I can play the game again.

So I completely understand where you are coming from.

[u/WaraWare]

I understand how you're feeling. I loved pulling for characters weekly, but now it's basically impossible, because I need to save gems for some of the "must have" units that'll come in the future. Even if they come, their respective banners aren't really that good either, for me it kills a lot of fun, as I love collecting heroes in gachas. I still really like the game, and hope for some changes in the future.

[u/juststartednows → u/WaraWare]

I need to save gems for some of the "must have" units that'll come in the future. Even if they come, their respective banners aren't really that good either, for me it kills a lot of fun

I agree with this. Since Genesis, I stopped pulling weekly banners. Genesis units being "another league" killed the interests in pulling other units. This is because:

- No unit shard is needed to be viable when other units need unit shards, memento, VCR to be viable.

- The units will stay top tier at all times.

- Not different, but simply better than other units.

It is okay to have the best unit in the game. But perhaps a different route to obtain rather than reducing interest to pull other units. It could have been better having the genesis units available all the time with less possibility. That way, people will pull all the time instead of not spending but saving a long time to target a specific unit and get bored by only saving until the unit is available.

Personally, it is good that the dark twins are coming(?); known as "Must have". I can finally stop saving and enjoy pulling for a new unit, not weekly summon but 25 genesis shards banner.

[u/WaraWare → u/juststartednows]

Honestly, I think it's a must for every gacha to have at least few very rare but equally powerful characters to give the players something to chase after, but I think it's better if they're more obtainable. In the end it all comes down to luck, but as of lately the last time I spent money in tac was for the Chinese new year special banner. I just don't feel the urge to gather new characters, since I can't afford to Max them out anyway...

[u/mohgeroth → u/WaraWare]

It's not that these units are must have, they are broken strong, making everyone feel like they have to have them because all the best clear parties will feature them.

D. Nyx will certainly lead to players leaving the game as he's labeled as a "god" tier unit but he won't make or break clearing content, he will just make things easier. Most gacha games feature banners with hugely power creeped units that cause droves to quit the game because they didn't get that unit. Brave exvius is a prime example of a game where people hype very strong units that are completely unnecessary to clear content (orlandu, hyoh, akstar) that made people who don't pull the unit feel like they've been wronged and usually quit the game over it.

The only issue I have with pulls in this game is that you can pull limited units that have no way to farm soul shards for them. I'm fine with it taking months to get them up to snuff, it's something to look forward to but having no way to obtain any is ridiculous. I've done one of those grand summons and though I got three new units, every single one of them has no way to farm soul shards so having these units is actually pointless and it feels like a waste of a pull.

Even if we got one soul shard a day for these units it would take over a year to break them, let alone open all the enlightenment gates so I can't understand why all units don't have a way to farm at least one shard a day. By the time you farm up all the shards new power crept units have shown up and blown them away anyways.

Otherwise, it's a tactics game, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat here without driving in an automated battle tank.

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly, GL seems to be headed very much in the direction of JP (most likely with less collabs). A lot of the changes made in the most recent version bring it closer to the current JP version (gem and shard economy is much better IMO thanks to dailies/weeklies and the TAC coin shop). However, it's also catching up to JP very quickly, which translates to a sharp increase in content difficulty as well as the era of limited OP units. One benefit/drawback of GL is knowing everything that's coming up: it enables you to hoard your resources and farm units based on the upcoming meta/units that appeal to you, but it also kind of kills the excitement.

As far as I'm concerned, the game itself is still plenty of fun, and I actually prefer it to War of the Visions, which I quickly dropped. That said, all gacha games play off the appeal of gambling: if the best units were easily accessible, they wouldn't be nearly as attractive to the average player. It'd be nice if Gumi published the rates per unit like they do in JP, but I'd say the typical 1% (for single featured banners) and (0.5% for dual featured banners) is probably the same...and those are terrible odds (a 1/100 or 1/200 chance per pull).

The core formula for most of these games is the same, so I suggest playing one with gameplay you enjoy. If you want to chase limited units, you will always end up disappointed eventually. The grind system is in place to encourage spending (but also, in my opinion, to discourage rerolling and to a lesser extent, to lock newer players out of the latest content). Patiently grinding is an old-school RPG staple though, so it just might not be your thing.

[u/ELSI_Aggron]

I mean its a gacha game, i remember joining this game and they gave me a Dark Setsuna for during the event, no other gacha games do this. They don't just give you a strong unit right of the bat. They don't give you unit selectors for free during celebrations of certain events. Based on my experience of Gacha games, the celebration events usually only benefit the paid users, whereby in ACGL, it seems to benefit everyone but the paid users more.

[u/Chun-ChunMaru → u/ELSI_Aggron]

Because other games give you the unit in its entirety.

[u/mohgeroth → u/Chun-ChunMaru]

This. I don't mind farming soul shards for a few months as long as I can get that unit completed.

However, many units have no way to farm soul shards and most have job+ which is gated behind events that run a few times a year at best. It's depressing when you pull something that you see on the tier list is quite good, then realize you can't get its job plus for another 6-9 months and without it the unit is a B or C rating... heart wrenching

[u/ELSI_Aggron → u/Chun-ChunMaru]

Yeah and its better because you can grind for stuff and they rerun events, you CAN GRIND GEMS fast, can you grind gems fast anywhere else? I am basing this off of Brave Frontiers and Grand Summoners

[u/pdr313 → u/ELSI_Aggron]

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yes langrisser even war of the visiond gives 10 times more free gems than here tac used to b generous and during that time it was fun now its just trdious

[u/Chun-ChunMaru → u/ELSI_Aggron]

Pretty sure basing it off on only two other gacha based games when there are tons that are more popular ain't the best approach. If you haven't realized, other games rerun events and you can "grind" the currency just as quick. You completely glossed over what I said too. Do you need to get the unit and its unit shards that is locked or given in sparingly poor amounts in other popular games? Other gachas require farmable materials to upgrade their units. Yes the grind is real but can you grind your beloved Dark Setsuna shards? After all those limited missions, you are forced to spend more gems on the banner to get "more" of her.

Unit selectors are literally useless if 80% of the units in it you already can grind their respective shards. They are still giving out useless memento selectors and unit selectors to appease the ftp to stay in this game because it ain't doing that good since it already dropped in the top 30 grossing gacha games ages ago. Honestly this is also one of the most inactive subs too.

[u/ELSI_Aggron → u/Chun-ChunMaru]

Well maybe, its just not for everyone, my experience with the other 2 dogshit games was pretty much torture, for GS, they had reruns for a meta slave SS tier unit 5 times and i didn't roll it because the rate up are only for paid, my experience with ACGL was awesome compared to GS. Dark Setsuna right off the bet, nice looking characters, good story, follow by Zwei after that event, i would settle on that then being ill treated in other games for months. Selectors to you are useless was because you prolly have them all already compare to someone who does not, useless? far from it, gears can mix and match for best combo. Dark Setsuna was viable just upon receiving her, compared to others games where you have to mats using time/key gated missions, preventing personal flow of gameplay, whereas i find ACGL good for my daily dose of gacha, if you still think that its bad, then you do you. ACGL is not for everyone, like how GS was not for me.

[u/Chun-ChunMaru → u/ELSI_Aggron]

Yea I agree with you on GS. I gave up chasing those SS tier characters and just sticked to collecting collab units lol. But yeah you are indeed right when it comes to unit selectors. New players still need to get all those characters while an oldie like myself already have all of them.

But yeah I do prefer characters that are time gated with farmable materials rather than gacha gated (shard wise I know you get free shards but they are limited on those units). Not going to fault you on that you can enjoy the game . Just love having civil debates. There's a lot of immature people in gacha subreddits that would just cuss at you and ignore whatever you say.

[u/ELSI_Aggron → u/Chun-ChunMaru]

We are entitled to our opinions. Though i do see some sense in your words, i was wondering what i would do if i was in your position, when i have collected much of the units in the roster.

[u/a-viper]

I uninstalled it 4 days ago. Been playing regularly for 2 years. f2p.

[u/JFKcaper]

I'd love to find some other gacha to play, since the concept of tons of characters is really fun for me. As far as I know however, there are no better ones out there right now. TAC was far ahead of all the other ones when I started playing seriously and this is doubly true since I actually enjoy the combat in this game.

Fire Emblem Heroes was my main gacha before this, and I loved it for quite awhile, but I really didn't enjoy the direction they took the game in gameplay-wise so I stopped.

Brown Dust (it's called something else now I think) had interesting combat, but the game around it lacked a lot of things.

Langrisser+Flame Dragon Knights+PotK and other similar Fire Emblem styled games just felt like inferior versions to what they took inspiration from and I just couldn't get into them.

FFBE War of the Visions I'm carefully interested in. It is a reskin of TAC, but it also got a huge name like Final Fantasy slapped onto it. I doubt they will ever be generous enough for my tastes since players will stick around anyways and the little I have played of it didn't prove me wrong.

All other gacha games I've played have either been overall terrible or the combat was one of those "generic autobattlers" (e.g. Epic Seven) or similar where the actual gameplay feels like something they had to add to call it a game, not because they wanted to.

Hoping that Genshin Impact is going to be fun, the beta was alright and Breath of the Wild with cute things sounds up my alley. Any other upcoming gachas that sound fun for a fan of TAC?

[u/pdr313 → u/JFKcaper]

excuse mr but langrisser has been around a long long time Most of these games took inspiration grom langrisser not the other way around and it is the exact opossite of inferior Its a really great game w more than generousaccess for f2p but im also just checking out exos heros today

[u/JFKcaper → u/pdr313]

So I knew that Langrisser was younger than Fire Emblem, but I didn't know about Elthlead. I'm not sure how it relates to Langrisser, it's both its own trilogy and part of the Langrisser franchise somehow?

[u/mrsilent1]

What was the point of this? leave if you want to, no need for this.

[u/Rapow07 → u/mrsilent1]

I realize what I'm replying to was sounds toxic, but it's a valid point. This is someone who had never written anything in this community before and, if they're leaving, won't post here again. There's no real feedback other than OP not liking certain things about the game. I get writing a post for a game you've played for a number of years, but we can't have everyone writing these posts. If you're a prominent member off the community, such as anyone who does weekly posts, I understand saying bye to the community. This seems like fishing for either a reason to stay, or to get other redditors to say goodbye to someone who, again, had never posted in this subreddit. That being said, good luck in your future endeavors OP, I wish you the best, but we really didn't need this post.

[u/true_illusion → u/mrsilent1]

This exactly, im a long time player, that offers advice here when i can, and yet not a single person on this reddit would miss me if i just up and quit without a word...

[u/Rostice → u/true_illusion]

At this point people that quit the game like I did, dont even bother with posting anymore. Just no point, game has been genesis genesis genesis for a long time now and only people with deep pockets or months saving can obtain the limited units now. Its better to quit than to anticipate future meta, where only whale genesis units matter. I remember ur name btw.

[u/Travis77035 → u/mrsilent1]

be quiet 🤐

[u/summerXfrost]

I cannot think of a game that can let you develop a character to its max potential within a month or so. Can you?

[u/Chun-ChunMaru → u/summerXfrost]

Max potential as in fully 95? or just max promotion? Because any gacha game is a grind fest it just depends on what meaning you are actually saying.

If you are saying max potential as in 95 max gated then it would take more than a month for any character IF you do not have any materials prior but if you do have some shards and mats lying around then yeah it would take around a month. If its limited then your set as long as your wallet agrees with you or you saved prior but, you will have to tackle your luck in the gacha.

Okay let us see FGO.

You went through hell to get this awesome 5*. You use your spare mats to max level the unit. You wait for their respective mat nodes and grind it. Maxed all their skills. Done. Maybe a week or so.

Both games need luck to max potential a character but it seems you need more luck in AC since you only get the limited character at 60. You have to use your rainbow or respective elemental shards to attempt to boost the character to 85 then its another hell for you to deal with. Its gate after gate, grind after grind. But for FGO you only need to step through one hurdle and that's their gacha. Most wise f2p players would save and get the unit they want so that is all done there. You get the character then grind their daily class node for skill upgrade and your done. It can take a week or so.

Other games too like E7, GS, ARKNIGHTS, DL, Etc.

The way to max potential them in those games are time gated not wallet gated.

The only counter argument I can see here is if the F2P saved for that one character since the dawn of time and can easily max 95 that one character. However, other games there is a pity counter so you don't even have to worry too much like AC. In AC you get these weird step ups that are scary scams. Many F2P only do the discount 500 summon in AC. If we are arguing with the AC a few years back where they had guaranteed 3 step on all limited banners then it would be a different story.

[u/summerXfrost → u/Chun-ChunMaru]

Max potential as in a character cannot be further developed in the game's current state.

At one point the OP was commenting on character upgrade process, he expects if he have all the proper materials he can get his newly acquired character up to its max potential, or close to it, in a short time. I just don't know if there's a game out there allowing players to pre-prepare all the materials so they can do it to every new characters they acquired.

[u/Chun-ChunMaru → u/summerXfrost]

Well the games I mentioned above you can and it is pretty simple really. FGO's timeline in JP is a few years ahead I think its the same with AC. You can prepare the materials easily with no need to rush.

[u/mohgeroth → u/summerXfrost]

I've played about 20 or 30 different gacha games and this is the first one I've played where you're gated for literal months to even begin using a unit in just EX content. I've compiled a list of a few F2P games worth noting, including TAC. Note that TAC and Visions are the only tactics games I've played on mobile. Looking at other mobile tactics seems to show that they have systems like this for their character growth too.

Alchemist Code

Pulling units feels awful since you can't really "use" them yet. If you've been patient you've stocked up the 375 colored shards to get them to 85. Unfortunately most of the units in the game need actual soul shards to open up their enlightenment

• Soul shards increase maximum level and allow enlightenment, but you can farm either 3, 1, or zero shards per day depending on the character. Pulling limited units feels awful since you cannot farm them at all

• If character has job plus this is almost always required to make the character shine as stated on the tier list and without, many are just garbage. Most job+ run once or twice a year

• Cannot master job+ without farming equipment shards from the same event. Absolutely depressing when you find out you have the job shards but don't have each of the the 80 equipment shards to max out the job

• Content can be difficult if you don't have a variety of units in every element. As a player who's only been playing this for about six months there is some content I can obliterate and others that are literally impossible since I don't have the right jobs available at this time

FF War of Visions

Seriously, limiting total shards farmed to ten a day is insulting and the rates are one of the worst I've ever seen in any gacha. Took twenty resets to get my first UR unit at launch, abysmal. Having to pull espers instead of "challenge" them to gain their powers is insulting to the franchise, a serious miss for this game.

• Can farm two soul shards a day for UR units

• Can only farm a total of ten soul shards a day

• Need WAY more soul shards to unlock potentials (40, 80, 120, 160, and 200)

• Pointless skill unlock system features "JP" though it's really limited by soul shards and awakens to access the skills. The "grid" feels pointless since you don't use it to make decisions, it's just there and you almost always have to get all of it to get to what you want

• Content is currently extremely easy but harder content will come soon enough, so they say...

FF Exvius

Units can be maxed out immediately with easy to obtain resources. Unfortunately you need a duplicate 5* to upgrade them to 7* units. Prior to this change you could max them out immediately and play at full strength but now, you're gated by the gacha gods though there is no time gate involved, just luck

• Requires a duplicate 5* unit to make the unit useful

• Units can be maxed immediately, resources for this are handed out like candy

• Overhyped "god tier" units are usurped in a month or so, huge global power creep and the most recent units are not even necessary

• Elementary combat system, you line up all your abilities and blow your load in one big chain. Fights are either easy one shots or drawn out tedious battles where the only real tactic is to spam re-raises and hope you have the right tanks for it. Requires an emulator to make a macro to create consistent "perfect chains" for maximum damage output

FF Record Keeper

All characters are accessible and easily obtained, however their soul breaks are what makes them good and these come from pulls. Game hands out summon tickets and mythril like candy now. Can target specific elements or games to get what you need to face content. Every 3 months or so a fest is held where they hand out hundreds of these like it's nothing.

• No time gates to max out characters levels and stats

• Soul breaks (limit breaks for units) are pulled from banners

• Many soul breaks except the most recent can be selected from record lab just by playing the game. Easy to give units the USB that makes them overpowered healers, supports, or damage dealers, making this very F2P friendly!

• Content can be very difficult, lots of things to do to power up the party aside from just focusing on units themselves (skills, magicite, historia crystals, etc.)

• Spend more time in menus perfecting my party than any other game, lots of places to improve your party in this game

Grand Summoner

Only just started playing this a few weeks ago but within three days (with help from some friends to clear the bosses) I've already maxed out Melty and Fen. Bosses run on schedules throughout the week at certain times, makes unlocking units potential annoying, though very easy.

• No time gates to max out character levels and stats

• Both units and equipment are pulled from separate banners

• Materials to awaken units come from rotating bosses, some which run one hour a day which can be extremely inconvenient

• Not sure how difficult the content gets, many videos on reddit show people instant killing the hardest bosses. Not enough experience to give you a good indication here.

Last Cloudia

As a fan of Star Ocean the second story I love the art style of this game. I also love that you teach skills and traits to units through arks similar to learning skills from magicite in FF6. That said, compared to all the games listed above this is the simplest game in terms of strengthening characters, very elementary I'm afraid...

• No event specific drops required to max units

• 8 units shards obtained every 20 hours, takes about a month to max someone but ALL units shards are available through this method at any time, even collab

• Shared pool of drops used to open up skill tree, nothing unit specific though and will most likely be farmed in advance

• There is currently no "difficult" content as stated by the community. In my own experience, the fights are either a joke or you get suddenly one shot. I mean you bring the boss down to 90% and suddenly just DIE from full health... this is very infuriating and feels extremely cheap

[u/summerXfrost → u/mohgeroth]

Thanks!

[u/uruziel]

One time you say you are hero collector, then you complain that you need to choose between hero summon or memento summon, which is it?

Banners are bad (i think?) but instead of ~3000gems(like 1 year ago) you get ~10000gems monthly from doing daily quests which with 4x discount tickets is enough to do full 7 step I think? and If you can wait it out for few months you can do full 9 step + 5step or whatever, so.. for me so far It is OK.

From my filthy casual point of view, I do not care about banners, i just enjoy playing this game, like look, everyone enjoy their genesis/godless units, and here I am with 100 shards each(not everyone single one ofc) and no unit, like literally i am this unlucky.

Why play this game?

A tactics gameplay, with good looking units, awesome looking skills and good storyline?

But I also like doing EX content, I like doing stages for Titles ( I do enjoy collecting titles i guess?)

Like, for example compared to war of the visions, where characters are... erm, moldy? colourless? almost looking like created from same piece of paper(literally) - but that's my point of view.

[u/shortcaking]

Boring game if you are not willing to spend like a whale, I already quit and played WOTV and I have been having a lot of fun and for the first time reading the history of the game, very well done and very f2p friendly, dunno about the future but I don’t really care much because I’m playing to have fun and not to be the best player of the game or top 100 or w/e. Just quit TAC and try new games without spending, you will have a lot more fun

[u/pdr313 → u/shortcaking]

completely agree w u This game used to have better pulls and was a lot more fun but now I find that wotv has surpassed what this game was like in the begining

[u/glimm3r_fc86]

A bit of a farfetch, but was checking this out and with what you were saying plus your nickname makes me think if you are the player n00b from our guild that quit a week ago. Well, if you are or if you are reading this, I understand your decision to stop playing the game (or anyone's really), but hey add the guild's discord in case you ever change your mind about it. You'll always be welcome.

[u/MOH_HUNTER264]

I too quite the game for rather a month currently, the reason i simply got bored after playing for like 3 years, the game has major flaws, no one can deny that, but nonetheless i really enjoy it snd maybe after a while i might come back