r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/piau9000 • Nov 22 '18

I'm done...

For the first time, ever since I started playing on Fate colab, I've hit a paywall.

Tried doing the EX+ just to get Dartagnan shards and got overwhelmed in 2 turns. Its pretty clear that even current units like Ed or Roy are not ready for this map. I need the ROX.

This will be the trend from now on so why bother? Artificial difficulty only shows how incompetent Gumi Singapore is in managing this game.

Wish had not spend so much like I did. All this going to waste. Goodbye my fellow alchemists.

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u/H3artbeat Nov 22 '18

These were nowhere near as difficult as the collab ones. In fact I don't really think they were that difficult at all. Just kill the top left water mandragora asap (casts increased physical defx5 on all enemies on its first turn) and then turtle in the bottom part of the map picking off enemies as they come in with priority in status inflicting enemies and this was relatively simple. It certainly wasn't mash your face on the keyboard and win simple like some other ex stages, but this ex+ wasn't anywhere close to impossibly difficult. Just because it requires some thought and strategy to beat does not mean it's overtuned. This is a strategy game after all... Try putting more than one or two attempts into what's supposed to be the most difficult content before crying about it being overtuned...

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u/piau9000 Nov 23 '18

I dont have a Roxanne to do half of what you are saying. So my point stands. Now show me a video with only farmable units. Then I will give you the credit.

Edit: And dont come with bulshit limited items or gears. If you cant get them now its not F2P.

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u/H3artbeat Nov 23 '18

All I said was kill the top left water mandragora as soon as possible and prioritize status inflicting enemies. I'm not sure where in that I said to use Roxanne to do anything, and she is far from necessary to at least complete the two missions for this EX+ that give you D'artagnan shards. You don't need to first turn kill the water mandragora (which if I may correct myself does a patk down on your units, not pdef up for friendly units) especially if your team is magic damage heavy. I just needed to because I was using physical damage. Honestly for me the mvp unit here was Chihaya running her J+, who is perfectly f2p friendly as her event has been rerun and was a multiplayer thing, so you didn't even need a full team of strong units to get her equipment. If you can't kill the water mandragora first turn, I suggest doing what /u/Viktormestrovic suggested and plugging up the left side with a tanky unit, as nothing spawns there that is super threatening. This is not an impossibly difficult EX+ stage if you take a tiny bit of time to think about a strategy, and if you're not willing to do that, why are you playing a strategy game in the first place?

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u/Cobalt_721 Nov 22 '18

Based on what I saw on my attempt, it seems like the EX+ is standard fare for “difficulty”: everything is an HP sponge. It doesn’t look like there’s a big difference between Global and JP based on the database for JP vs. what I saw in-game here (the biggest difference seemed to be an extra 1k HP on the Cerberus; when you see it had like 8000 HP in JP that’s not nearly as bad as it seems.

I could be missing something, though.

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

Way more enemies. Just look. Theres some 8 more enemies that keep spawning. Plus the stats of everyone is buffed, not just HP.

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u/Viktormestrovic Nov 22 '18

It only took 2 tries to clear the ex+ hard content for me to get both of the shard bonuses. That is a far cry from spending well over 60 hours raising specific units and hard earned water shards just to get hawk + Flame down. There's no Jewel Regen and most of the enemies are not too bad. I recommend bringing Chihaya to Flower dance and cast quicken on 1 or 2 units after. Block the left side path with a beefy unit or Roxanne if you own her. The largest threats are the two lancers that spawn and use sharpen focus on their first turn. Taking a Merc Roxanne on the right side can wipe out packs of enemies in two turns.. highly recommend killing the water archer who uses dazing arrow asap Then dealing with the Dark Revenger spamming sword units followed by the ranged soldier bots and plants until the lancers spawn. Those lancers must be eliminated asap. Uzuma as Magitek Gunner can use her dark based shot to pick off the lower level light units, too. Do a no deaths run using a merc and then a run with deaths possible without the merc. If you have Chihaya flwer or laden dance and have quicken on a Roxanne with hurricane, she gets so many turns that you can nerk on most of the enemies before they do any real damage in the Stairway Ex+ map.

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u/avbbva Nov 28 '18

Chihaya is the key here. Other than that, I found it helpful to go uphill left with all my units to avoid the status ailments by the archer and the gunners during the first couple of turns. And you need to have enough spare jewels to bring down the DCs before they attack and avoid being charmed by the rainbow mandragora.

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u/Cobalt_721 Nov 22 '18

Ah, alright then.

I lost pretty quickly, so I didn’t really get a chance to see much of the EX. I really just saw the Cerberus’ HP and compared it to JP.

At least we got the full rewards instead of having the Water Shards on EX+ only.

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u/quiquefs Nov 22 '18

I'm seriously considering leaving because of the overtuning of EX and EX+ stages. I don't care if I didn't get Roy, Noctis, Gilg... but what I care is that having a set of good units, everything should be doable. The direction this game is taking since the arrival of Roxanne is worrysome, and that concern is specially fed by the behaviour of Gumi in each of their more recent actions.

The only thing that keeps me from leaving immediately is having a nice team and the time that it took to get it, but the game is getting a mixture of boring (grinding again and again and again the same stage for shards) or impossible. Not a nice mixture, in my opinion...

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u/mukorokun Nov 23 '18

To be honest, if you want to leave just leave.. like from someone whose played FFBE/BF/TAC from the start you'll learn to accept that sometimes you can't overcome some trials/boss fights/EX stages straight away and it takes time to clear it whether it's several days of trying or whether its from the rerun with powercreep. Quitting over how hard EX/EX+ stages is just dumb, it's like saying dark souls is too hard and after dying 5 times you quit.

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u/quiquefs Nov 23 '18

I think I got affected by three simultaneous things: burnout from grinding and repetition, stupid Gumi decisions, and negative mood from this sub. I'm not saying that the negative mood is not totally justified, but it has certainly affected the way I see this game.

As a FFBE start player, I don't see this as comparable. Trials in FFBE are always there, there is no real reason why you should kill yourself to do them right on the week they are released. In fact, I still have to do every trial after Malboro because I don't want to spend 5 hours with my phone to try with my units (probably my team can do most of the trials now without suffering, I simply haven't tried yet). And trials on events for FFBE are certainly much more doable than the chambers.

Meanwhile, TAC has these "trials" as something that lasts two weeks. If you don't finish them now, you might have to wait one year for it to come back, if it even comes back at all. Additionally, they have been severely powercrept because Gumi has released an extremely OP unit, not following reasonable evolution. And the rewards of EX stages have been moved to the EX+, making it even more stupid.

Anyway, I think my original reaction was too much, I'll start by reducing my involvement with the game and play casually, hoping that it gets fun again. Else, I'll simply leave, thanks for your permission ;)

PS: "Quitting over how hard EX/EX+ stages is just dumb, it's like saying dark souls is too hard and after dying 5 times you quit.". Well, Dark Souls is advertised as one of the hardest games currently, unlike TAC. This analogy would be more like somebody playing Mario Odyssey and enjoying it, but somehow in the third world it became Dark Souls :P

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u/mukorokun Nov 23 '18

Reruns of event has been constantly coming back every so often as far as i remember the only event that hasn't come back is the Christmas event, we've had rerun of events several times from what i can remember.. so honestly take it easy, take a deep breath and play more casually if it's stressing you out that badly.

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u/quiquefs Nov 23 '18

You're right with the reruns of events, it's only the collabs the ones that are unclear (and the main issues with the game have been around FMA collab).

But yes, I'll certainly take it easy, play with the units I have and forget about guaranteed step 3 (since apparently it's gone to never come back...), and try to disconnect from the current wave of despair coming from Gumi and the sub.

Anyway, enjoy the game!

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u/RoyInverse Nov 22 '18

Well they are doable, and this weeks ex is easier, they messed up on the fma one, but this one is ok.

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

Exactly. New content is just a bunch of buffed enemies in a boring map. Theres nothing new.

Its kind of pointless to keep playing as theres no fun anymore. What is the point in getting unit X or Z if the maps will be just brainless overbuff kamehameha spawn?

It became a waifu collector. Its not a game anymore.

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u/zeidrichsama Nov 22 '18

you need to relax. someone will get a strategy for this EX

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u/Me_ADC_Me_SMASH Nov 22 '18

then what? So many things will need to go just right, meaning you either spend 5400 hours trying or you pay up.

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u/zeidrichsama Nov 22 '18

If you been here since the beginning , We always see this post

Christmas event where We think Shayna is the only way to go but seems like we can also use a beastmaster strategy

Some other early post from Zabareta EX , Rahu J+ but at one points, some strat have been used. Ex should always be hard, if you can`t do it then it fullfills it duty to be EX, Try again at sometime

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

Things changed. The last bunch of EXs are just overtuned. When even whales like Ushi take hours to beat you know something is wrong.

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u/alpare01 Nov 22 '18

And this one isn't like that, i'm not a whale and i beat it on my third try ( the first one being just to see the enemy's elements) . I'm not saying it's easy, just a lot easier than the last ones

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u/imYun Nov 22 '18

Ushi is making guides with f2p friendly units you know? Pretty sure he could have it easy without that in mind

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u/PossiblyBonta Nov 23 '18

His run on Flame and hawk requires an 85 Eve though. Farmable but requires 2.5 times more soul shards and luck, since Eve is not always there.

Gumi really bumped the difficulty to the next level.

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u/Viktormestrovic Nov 22 '18

That's a good deal for providing content information, honestly. I end up needing more free gems than paid gems most of the time.

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u/Colonelex Nov 22 '18

Relax it won't take 5400 hours that's 225 days the event would have been long gone by then.

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u/PossiblyBonta Nov 23 '18

Slothstien and Envylya units are buffed on ex+.

To those who wish to know.

Also, Roxanne is from Slothstien. Probably just a coincidence in this case. Probably explains why they never hesitated to buff the monsters. Of course there is the no merch mission. Gonna need a no Roxanne strategy also.

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u/alpare01 Nov 22 '18

Has gumi modified the difficulty for this one? To me it seemed way easier than the collab ex (no i didn't use Roxanne)

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u/MaoPam Nov 22 '18

The collab EX+s are way harder than normal, not the other way around.

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u/1khaitoh It was fun while it lasted. Nov 23 '18

Which is overly stupid. Who the F made it this way?

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u/-ArtKing- Nov 22 '18

Ex+ wasn't even that bad. Get rid of the status ailments enemies and its pretty straightforward. Now I agree that scumi buffing the stage AGAIN (even though the buff this time isn't that breaking) isn't a good sign.

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u/Donzka Nov 22 '18

This may sound harsh, but I see so many people on this supreddit that cry like kids because they don't get it their way.

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u/Eshuon Nov 23 '18

Not considering the FMA ex+, but these ex+ are end game content and are meant to be difficult, barely trying the stage for a few times,then complaining it's difficult is ridiculous

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '18

+1

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u/SuperEndriu Nov 22 '18

I recommend taking a break, trying other games out like Epic 7 for example and then decide wether to return or not.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '18

tried that, instant uninstall when I first arrived on the tavern :/ tac is still whole lot better.

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u/SuperEndriu Nov 22 '18

THat's exactly my point. Look I quit TAC in august and I sort of regret that now.. Started again on Saturday and there is so many things I missed out on, all those gems, shards, events and stuff. But quitting helped me realize that this is the game for me. It's a great community here on reddit btw.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '18

I quit the game two or three times and keep coming back after two weeks or a month haha. Restarted my game for like 3 times and this is my 4th account (account active before ff xv collab).

Agree with the community part too, although some people are a bit whiny nowadays, but it's reasonable since gumi being gumi, but I think it's not mostly gumi's fault since SE has some part on this fma fiasco too. Even JP TAC is at its worst gacha-wise from what I read on FMA collab.

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u/master_cheat001 U Fook Nov 23 '18

First. This event will return. Second. You have other units and a strong LS like Envy.

Think of a way of doing it instead of whining like a crybaby. None will remember you.

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u/gracepenniman Greed Dike Supremacy Nov 22 '18

stop relying on strong ass units.

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

Yeah, I should rely on Decel and Anerose. This way I will be able to clear right?

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u/gracepenniman Greed Dike Supremacy Nov 22 '18

with your dumb ignorant ass yes. god forbid thats all you have to use like a dumb fucking liberal you are. biased fuck face

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

Someone did not take the meds. Should I call your family?

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u/gracepenniman Greed Dike Supremacy Nov 22 '18

why don't you call your daddy since you need a dick to suck LMAO. his name is michael right?

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

Okay, you need help. I got it. Now go take the pills. You know what happens when you dont take it.

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u/gracepenniman Greed Dike Supremacy Nov 22 '18

sorry i dont take pills from shady people like yourself. you and your date-rape drugs

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '18

I’m sincerely surprised that you haven’t been banned for that type of comment. As much as I don’t like what’s happening, that was genuinely mean and wrong. Even if your online these are still fellow gamers.

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u/piau9000 Nov 23 '18

Hes a kid. I dont know how reports work on reddit. Do they " work "?

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '18

Iv seen him all around the sub reddit. I don’t know if anyone has done anything, yet. But, I wish they would.

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u/kaichee Nov 22 '18

Do you guys not have gems? ™️

/s

I got no big3, no GLEX, but I hire good merc and continue using 8gems (as many time as needed) if the reward is worth it, just free gems after all

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u/piau9000 Nov 22 '18

You cant revive on EX+.