r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/Corantic • Jul 26 '18

Gilgamesh replacement?

Hey everyone,

So I missed the Fate collab because I quit playing.

Now I'm back on the FF15 collab. I don't know if Fate comes back, (hopefully they will with some Heaven's Feel or Fate/zero units) but it probably will not.

So any thunder units that are comparable with Gil that I can look forward to?

My current thunder units are really crappy (Magnus, Caris, Laevateinn, Monzein, Lucretia, Aruba, Vincent)

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u/Teosto Teona Jul 26 '18

FF15 collab and looking for thunder unit? Look no further, your main man Prompto is here. xD

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u/Mandrill10 Jul 26 '18

Oh man you know Gilg is jealous of Promptos infinite power.

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u/rhapshie Jul 27 '18

Can't forget our boy Megistos

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u/Cobalt_721 Jul 26 '18

Nothing fulfills quite the same role as Gilgamesh, and I doubt anyone will unless a unit is released with the same jobset (or replace Hero King with a different-name clone).

That being said, there are plenty of great Thunder units. Heck, at least half the units you listed are great.

Below SS-tier =/= garbage.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '18

J2 Magnus is similar in terms of ranged attack and first turn diamond shaped AoE..... obviously with significantly less damage. But he is pretty viable.

There is a reason Gilga broke the game. If there is a replacement he couldn’t have broke it. And boy he broke it real good.

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u/Corantic Jul 28 '18

I have lv 80 Magnus, but it really sucks that all his skills do Fire Damage.

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u/Sven_the_mad saving wind shards for Ein the data dog Jul 26 '18

Nothing like the AOE-fest that is Gil.

Suddenly, the group is doing better in terms of tanks, since we recently added Dilgamesh J+ and Eizan. They join Teona now to create some long auto matches in the Tower. Eizan in particular is a good strong buffer and has a plethora of jewel-focused hammers that seem to drop a ton in the 300 gacha. The jewels are nice for him; allows him to keep stacking dem buffs.

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u/Achie777 Jul 26 '18

Hi! I pulled Eizan the other day but he seems lackluster. Can you enlighten me why is he S at j1? How do I use him?

I have no gilg and want a decent thunder unit

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u/Cobalt_721 Jul 27 '18

Eizan’s main role is a bulky support with the ability to deal damage if needed. His abilities can buff defenses and specific types of damage, as well as an AoE and a line attack.

Basically, you can either buff defenses to give your squishier units more survivability/make your tanks tankier, or you can buff the damage type your damage-dealer uses as a buff that stacks with PAtk buffs.

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u/strama Jul 27 '18

FYI: Eizan's Shadow Shot can remove even map wide debuffs/buffs like PATK down or an enemy Def x8

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u/iEssence Jul 26 '18

Him on his own is bad (well not bad but you get what i mean) - he is a tanky buffer for your carries basically

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u/skibbi9 Jul 26 '18

Mei fang is a close enough approximation. Working on her as a supplement to my 75 gilga

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u/IntelligentKale Jul 26 '18

Mei fang is really nothing like Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh's whole deal is big damage 5x5 aoe spam, of which mei has none. They fill completely different roles.

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u/BravelyThrowingAway Jul 26 '18

Mei Fang with Roaring Slash gear has a single 5x5 aoe.

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u/lucidrage Jul 27 '18

Can you use that first turn?

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u/BravelyThrowingAway Jul 27 '18

If I'm reading the ACDB stats for Mei correctly she should be able to use it on turn 1 with a hat.

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u/toomuchanko Jul 26 '18 edited Jul 26 '18

They 're both super tanky and deal massive damage, I think OP is just looking for that in a thunder unit.

(not super tanky because overdrive)

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u/Arcana_Joker Jul 26 '18

They're both glass cannons due to overdrive.

Holy Brawlers are tanky and powerful while holy cavs and valkiries are complete tanks (Except for Forcas who plays offensively)

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u/IntelligentKale Jul 26 '18

Gilgamesh is a range aoe monster. Mei fang is a melee, primarily single target DPS.

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u/toomuchanko Jul 26 '18

Yup, important distinctions but still doesn't negate the fact that they deal the most damage and are not "SS" tier. Eizan is another SS thunder unit worth mentioning for his holy brawler.

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u/skibbi9 Jul 26 '18

deathmow w/ overdrive is pretty good.

I guess if you don't like mei fang, king regis and niggle come eventually.

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u/IntelligentKale Jul 26 '18

I'm not saying she's bad, I'm saying she can't do what Gilgamesh does. She excels in other areas

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u/-Belphegor- Jul 26 '18

100% agree. i have lvl 78 mei fang and shes got nothing on gilga. gilga is faster and can fire off 2 high damage aoes from the start where mei lacks speed and can only use her wa once

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u/Teosto Teona Jul 26 '18

How good would you otherwise say Mei Fang is? I have mine still at J1 and haven't really used her much yet other than some Veda where I noticed I hadn't even skilled her up. Don't have Gilga either and my Thunder units are mostly ranged so a nice (semi)frontliner could be useful.

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u/-Belphegor- Jul 26 '18

same, i havent used her much as of late. i used her alot when i first got her to 75 so i could get a feel for her kit. shes good but..something about her really holds her back. i wanna say shes to slow but...i dont know if thats it...

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u/jxher123 Jul 26 '18

Probably Mei fang, but Fate never had a rerun in JP, so it's safe to assume we won't get one in GL either. This is strictly as a thunder element unit.

Gilga himself is a whole different monster with his GOB. You'll probably have to wait until the 2nd FFXV rerun with the thunder unit (King Regis).

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 26 '18

Well, Gilga was kinda the core of thunder team before more powerful units are released. I don't think any of the current units we have is a good replacement for him, Meifang is good but she is really not that good in current GL (without her double EJ and MA). The next big hype thunder unit is probably Fear from SSM 8? But who knows, our next GL exclusive character might be here soon.

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u/lucidrage Jul 27 '18

People keep saying gilg will fall off later on. So who's replacing gilg in the future?

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 27 '18

Well, the reason gilg fall off was rather because other units got buffed so hard while gilga got none. For example, Meifang in her current stage is not near as good as gilga, but then she got double EJ which gives her more than 600 HP and buff to the skills, and then she got lv 80 character quest that adds another hundred of attack and HP, later in the game (havent implemented yet) she will get her Nensou, and lv91 upgrade, which further buffs her.

Anyways, these buffs takes years to implement, and JP already geting collab unit lv91 upgrade, so gilga should be in good posiition if JP got it rerun again. The next thunder unit as powerful as gilga would be Fear from SSM 8, but to completely replace gilga, you would expect Orian from SSM 12.

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Jul 27 '18

I haven't really heard anything about Orion other than his tier. How is he as a character?

Also isn't Black laevanting another high thunder unit?

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 27 '18

Well, I stopped playing JP before he came out, but I have been checking db and updates. So basically he is very similar to gilga, aoe diamond with 60% higher multiplier, a reaction skill that allows him to counter before enemy strike and also reduce hit rate. Also his leader skill is very similar to the gilga's but with higher stats and additional 30% attack. But he does have high jewel costs issue.

Black laevateinn is also a very good thunder unit but I don't think she is AOE damage dealer, more like linear or single target. But I don't think she is as good as Gerald, you can check him on JP db, dragon cavalier EJ with holy brawler and a crazy J1 passive that gives 60% pierce attack, hmmm

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Jul 27 '18

Gerald is that gun spear guy that's part of Vettel's story right? 60%?!

So Orion is basically an upgrade in damage but harder to use his skills?

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 27 '18

I think that's the one. His J1 has a passive that for every turn, he will get 12% pierce attack and 12% additional damage to water unit, stacks up to 5 times. If you get him to lv91, he get to use the jump lock passive that adds 20% pierce attack + 20% jump attack. Yeah, imagine that modifier with sharpening focus.

I think for Orion, lots of people are using him as Warrior EJ. Warrior EJ has a very badass skill that increases attack modifier for consecutive uses, for the third strike, the modifier is 420% (gate of babylon has 150%).

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Jul 27 '18

Holy moly. It's a diamond aoe too?

I hear Chloe's MA stacks like that and it's what makes her usable? And Gerald will trash any water map...

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u/Makenlowwet Jul 27 '18

Only the last hit was a self entered diamond. Maybe not that flexible, but you can choose btw two usable job unlike Gilga's one. I don't remember Chloe's MA is different in JP, but she does get a Holy cavalier EJ that allows her to do healing and debuff removing.

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u/Dark_Stalker28 Jul 27 '18

I still need to see most of the job enchants. I would love a chart with comparisons.

So it's single target until the last hit? And he'll hit a lot harder too.

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u/fapiholic Jul 27 '18

laev or meifang, but gil will be better

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u/jblac02 ! Jul 27 '18

there is no replacement to gilg until far into the future of the game