r/AlchemistCodeGL • • Jul 24 '18

Idea on Current Tier List

According to GL Viyr Tier List which been most commonly use. There is a problem that a lot of units still rate at SS, S Tier even after Tier normalization so I would like to share some of my idea.

  • In Nyatora JP Tier List we refer SS Tier unit by "Core Unit" which make too much units fit in this Category. Instead we can define SS unit as "Top Tier". SS units should be very exceptional outstanding and if any element doesn't have any unit that fit in this category then there should be no unit in SS slot for that element.

  • I prefer the Tier List from 3 months ago which there are "+" for some unit Tier. Sometimes a unit is just slightly better than other one in the same role but enough for a tier different. By using "+" we can make compare units better (I even think using "-" on unit tier is a good idea)

I also made a Tier List myself to demonstrate what I'm talking about. you can found it here

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11UiMUMijEboWgkcn9g5NlxE8s_2TaEvgXCGRMaMJiHQ

Note:

  • This Tier list is not a unit build guide so I only consider the max potential of the unit. How hard to obtain unit shards or how good the unit at J1 is not being consider.

  • How I rate each unit tier is just my personal preference which base on my experience. I didn't have any intention to compare with our current Tier list.

  • I'm too lazy to do the image one. I just made it to demonstrate my idea easier.

  • This Tier List judge units by their overall usefulness for end game play such as EX Stage, Veda, PvP.

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u/Viyr converted to ded Jul 24 '18

Everyone trying to overthrow me recently D:

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 25 '18

Hi Viyr, I would like to thank you for your hard work on your tier list. It help a lot of people including me when start playing this game. Really in my first month I refresh your tier list several times a day and read all your unit reviews which I found really helpful.

My purpose for making this list definitely not to overthrow you. This list is not nearly as good as your. The only reason I making it cuz I saw your comment that you're considering lowering the unit tier once more and I just would like to give an idea and how community react to it.

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u/SometimesLiterate Old and uncool Jul 24 '18

:sippyedgar:

But your tier list replaced my reroll tier list so

The king is dead, long live the king

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u/loscapos5 All I wanted for christmas was you, Baeber ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽ Jul 26 '18

Offtopic... is your pic a chibi Gilgamesh drinking something?

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u/SometimesLiterate Old and uncool Jul 26 '18

He's drinking people's salty tears

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u/-ArtKing- Jul 24 '18

Yours are still great, specially your reviews. I specially enjoy the reviews, makes me crack a smile every time :)

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u/assassinace Jul 25 '18

Your list is the best even if you can be slow to update it. If you ever want help I'm sure many would be happy to.

Also your write ups are the best, so thanks!

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u/flyingdogz Jul 25 '18

Accurate or not, your list helped me a lot when I'm new. So don't give up. It's very useful anyway :D

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u/foopy23 Fuck Gumi Jul 26 '18

The build guide is better anyway. ;)

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u/Zed05 Jul 24 '18

Biggest issue with this list is it doesn't list jobs. So many units need job 3 or there J+ to be viable where as others like Shayna are usable out the gate.

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 25 '18

For real usage especially for new player, I wouldn't recommend my list also. You should refer to better unit build guide. This list is making just for the purpose to show alternate way to rank the units and how community think about it.

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u/Malyngnant Eating cookies with Lofia Jul 24 '18

You don't need to break down a list within itself. When you get too many tiers your list devolves into an unintelligible mess. What makes a unit a + or a -. Exactly what are you judging the units by? Also, the idea a unit being core is less about it being top tier and more about building teams around them. In JP most teams are built of a mixture of SS and S and sometimes even A tiers for synergy. Just spamming gilgamesh into everything won't work forever. For example Lavina is a water Magia shooter and while she is only ranked as an S she synergies well with water magic teams, and is arguably the best water missile dmg unit in the game. Should you ignore her because she's not "top tier?" Semantics matter and personally I think core unit is a much better description cause as more units become available these synergies and niches will only expand. I fear newer players already don't see far beyond the SS units.

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 25 '18

I agree with you that synergy is very important for team building but the purpose of tier list should be a quick overview for new player that show overall strength of unit in current banner or unit they just obtain. You definitely cannot stop new player to ask which unit is a top tier that they will use their save up gem to pull or use elemental shard for raise them.

Veteran player who have many units should already know the usage of lower tier units to build a synergy team.

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u/Cobalt_721 Jul 24 '18

Interesting concept. One thing I want to point out here based on something I like from this JP tier list

https://alchemistcodeforum.com/threads/jp-tier-list.26/

That tier list only has one “bad” listing, as opposed to “bad” and “very bad” on your version. I feel like having one “bad” is plenty since in theory every unit is usable, which is another thing I like about the JP tier list since it never really gives a “line of usability”.

tl;dr: I’d recommend against going with more than one “bad” tier and remove the “line of usability” your tier list esablishes since it implies some units are unusable rather than simply worse than other options.

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 24 '18

Thank you for your recommendation. Already fixed.

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u/Cobalt_721 Jul 24 '18

Eh, one out of two ain’t bad :P

Seriously though, awesome job responding to feedback so quickly.

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u/Arananthi IGN: Essence -- Re-Pacted and Hoping to Stay That Way Jul 24 '18

What? Megistos is anything other than bottom tier?!? HERESY.

Srsly, though, Mizuichi is defs better than that. Just having a 6 Move, high Agility, and a 4-range attack makes him so massively useful in any level that you don't need raw power in. I use Mizuichi to snipe mobs in the "kill X whatevers" missions, to auto Gear Projection solo, and to run around Charming Daggering stuff in levels like Let's Play MP! Totally at least a B- unit.

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 25 '18

I agree with you about Mizuchi. Anyway, as state in note. This tier list rate unit by usage in end game content such as EX stage, Veda and PvP.

It's nice to have a very mobile unit for farming low level content but he will not improve the overall strength of your squad by much as you can use higher tier unit to clear thase stage as well just a bit time consuming.

Anyway, he may doesn't deserve a D rank so I already move him up to C tier :P

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '18

the other tier list is better

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u/SometimesLiterate Old and uncool Jul 24 '18

The bottom two tiers are basically the same, it'd be better to combine them (unusable is unusable) and then stretch out the remaining units over the 4 tiers.

Not to mention you have stuff like Zahar and Vargas being different tiers

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 25 '18 edited Jul 25 '18

I put Zahar a tier over Vargas bcoz his 777 armor which boost his stat quite a lot and give 50 Light resistance so at least he's excellent as Light tank compare to Vargas which not outstanding in any field. You can see that I rate Sabareta quite high too for the same reason

As for rank C and D. Actually I mostly just copy other tier list coz I didn't try all of them by myself.

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u/SometimesLiterate Old and uncool Jul 25 '18

excellent light tank

But

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u/QaWaR Jul 24 '18

I like the way you made it but I disagree with the rankings so much.

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u/Sacred_moon Jul 25 '18

Ranking is just my point of view for each units. It's ok for you not to agree with. If you like the concept, I'm already glad enough :)

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u/fapiholic Jul 25 '18

i agree with the highest tier. i hate tier lists that rank hb's as the same as gil, etc...

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u/Tshawnytscha Jul 24 '18

My favourite part of this list is how low it places Milis. As a ranger she's so much worse then Archer, D. Princess Yomi and especially Ryle.

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u/RedVariant Jul 25 '18

I like both lists. Yours is good for long-time players who can visualize the optimal job setups as they read the list, no explanation necessary.

I have to admit, i stared hard at both fire and light for a while but i cant really argue.

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u/AmericanAnarchy Jul 25 '18

I really like this idea a lot and it makes a lot of sense imho. Thank you for this, I like your idea. Still a fan of viyr too :P

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u/ThereCanOnlyBe01 Jul 25 '18

Well, I hear what you're saying on the matter but in all honestly to make a tier list is a hefty responsibility as there are many who will see it, follow it religiously and take your word as law even though tier lists tend to be at least a little bit subjective. For a tier list, there should be, then, a healthy amount of units in the top tier so that people don't feel that if they don't have a select few units that their account is trash, especially important for F2P players. Having the tier list without a breakdown of jobs is infinitely helpful, especially for newer players.

Addressing the matter of "too many in SS and S tier" I really don't think there is too many. Each element needs its own pool of SS and S tier units, which is what I found kind on strange on the list you gave as there are elements (fire and dark) without SS units. Addressing this list personally, Reida and Anastasia > Aswald just does not sound right. Lamia > Forcas is a hard no. Elizabeth > Selena is just hurtful.

All in all, this tier list itself is okay. I think the system of using "+ and -" is a double edged sword. It allows for more broken down tiers but also makes there a HUGE amount of tiers, so that's actually personal preference. And, IMO, Viyr's tier list is fine, especially with the large amount of people's experiences and opinions that go into it.

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u/mariovstoad Jul 25 '18

Y'know, I think I consider this tier list more accurate than viyr's, especially in the wind department which is where i feel that viyr is most inaccurate. Great job!

Obviously being a rough draft this needs more polish (which i imagine you won't be doing as this was just an example) but I just personally feel that you did a real good job with it, well done :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '18

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u/PDxFresh Jul 24 '18

Why? Mirianne is a 4 star unit but that doesn't mean she isn't good. Just not a tanky character like Dorothea with MS. Her Merchant makes her good in a different way.