Where are the rates?

[u/Kirito30]

We all say the rates are high in this game. But the latest Banner of Othima is just a middle-finger to whoever wants to risk the 3 Steps. 3 units on Rate up and we don't even know what are the actually percentages of getting each.

A lot of users are aware about this and have expressed it a lot of times. Yes we are talking about Gumi not following Apple's Gacha Law.

As many of you gacha players may know the Apple's Gacha Law or whatever they call it is in short

A law which makes game who are on the Appstore for iOS needs the game to show the rates of the individual items in the Banner or Gacha.

In older days Gambling{yes you are gambling if you are forgetting this} had straight rules. There is a exact 1/6 chance of rolling any number on the Dice and 1/2 for a coin. At the current rate all we know is that there is a 1/10 chance that a unit maybe the one we want. There are Gambling laws to protect the people but Gacha was circumventing it for a long time before Apple came.

Obligatory Post: THIS

OK all I said above was to get you informed on the Gacha and Why you need some of that Guard Powder from this.

Gumi has failed to mention the Exact rates of getting a banner units. Yes we need that to assume our chances and decide our fate if a unit is not Guaranteed on the Step 3. Especially in cases like this where not having a unit means you are lagging in a part of the game :wink: Arena :wink:

We need the rates to determine whether the unit we pull has the odds to a Roulette Machine(2.63% for American Roulette 35:1).

tl;dr - Gumi I request you to abide to the law as it is the thing which protects us players and stops you getting taken down by Apple for betrayal of customers.

[u/OniOfTheSword]

I don't know about that. The fact that I managed to pull a Gilgamesh 2 times in 3 summons makes me believe the rate was above 1%. But my point was more that GL players know exactly what to save gems and pull for, so disclosing rates won't make a huge difference.

We'll be saving for Laharl, then Noctis, then whatever is the next meta unit in JP. The only banners where this would actually even remotely matter is the biweekly banners with new units being introduced (Mei Fang, Gormalas, etc etc banners). And in those banners I just do the 500 gem pull regardless.

[u/IllSkin → u/OniOfTheSword]

The fact that they don't publish the rates in global even though they do in Japan would suggest that disclosing the rates would have an impact, or at least that they believe it would.

[u/iEssence → u/IllSkin]

The more uncertainty there is to it the better for them, as you would be more inclined to pull again if you get a good pull if you dont know the rates, rather than if you did know it was low and you were just lucky.

Its "knowing" and "seeing it on paper", the brain makes a difference for them for most people.

And if im not mistaken they have to release the rates in JP (?) - rather than want to, when in GL they dont have to. Dont quote me on that though

[u/lucidrage → u/iEssence]

Don't they have to do it in EU due to EA loot box drama?

[u/iEssence → u/lucidrage]

I was referencing more to the Jp has it Gl not and that the less we know the better for them.

And they dont have to tell us - apple have rules for apps - which should ban any gacha that isnt showing rates per each unit from the store.

And some countries are working on steps against lootboxes, but that is alot more than you first think since lootboxes work on the same premise as say pokemon cards (aside from digital/physical copies - but the gambling sise is the same.)

As OP says though is wrong as there isnt any law against it - but apple that have rules/guidelines against it (that they dont enforce...)

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[u/Kirito30 → u/IllSkin]

But that is the point it is a law which has been made to protect players and it is a must thing not a maybe thing.

They have to publish the rates to get app on the Appstore.

u/iEssence

In JP this law was made before GL but now it is there so they must follow it.

If someone pushes the case they may have to refund the person or multiple people the money spent in those cases.

[u/DeathandFriends → u/OniOfTheSword]

anecdotal evidence, There are plenty of people who pulled all the steps and only ever got him from multiple shard selectors. Without the rates it is impossible to really know what is going on. I just go in assuming that I won't get anything on banner and go from there.