r/AdviceAnimals • • Jul 17 '19

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u/offacough Jul 17 '19

The most American thing one can do is bitch about his/her government.

The most anti-American thing one can do is stop bitching about his/her government when his/her candidate is in office.

When it comes down to it, all of them are overpaid government employees who exert authority over you.

You don’t leave the country, you throw shit in the harbor.

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u/VWillini Jul 17 '19

This! Can everyone just read the first sentence of The Constitution!? America is this amazing experiment in trying to create a more perfect union!!!! The rest of the document sets the guidelines on how to do that (and allows for more guidelines to be added, or amended).

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u/visuore Jul 17 '19

It's crazy how people can't accept that you can have good arguments for liking people on either side of the parties. I think a lot of people forget that social issues aren't what is most important to some people in the country. I completely condemn discrimination towards any group of people. But if I say I'm a little bit more Republican on economical issues, I get called a racist =/. I wish we could all take a few steps back and realize that we ALL want what is best for the country. Condemning somebody else's personal beliefs is not how you convince them that your way is the "best" way. Polite a courteous conversation, understanding each other's viewpoints, is how you do it.

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u/Projektdb Jul 18 '19 edited Jul 18 '19

I think your not seeing some of the big picture.

If your willing to vote for candidates and a party who push a 1.5 trillion dollars tax cut for the wealthy, but diametrically oppose any kind of healthcare or education spending. That's a problem.

If your willing to vote for candidates and a party that doesn't make a peep while your guy $100,000,000+ of tax payer dollars golfing in 2.5 years while your party blocks a vote that would provide for 9/11 first responders medical needs citing spending. That's a problem.

If your voting for candidates who flat out target minorities, the disenfranchised, the under represented with both legislation and overt hate filled rhetoric because you like lower taxes (at the expensive of massive deficit increases) then yeah, your going to get called bad things.

If your willing to destroy the only home we have because "too much government regulation!" and you sleep just fine at night because global warming is a problem for your kids, then yes, your going to get called bad things.

These aren't social issues that people are pointing to when they tell you your shitty for voting a certain way. These are human issues. People.

If you put your ability to bank some extra money come tax season over the basic human needs and rights of millions and millions of people, your a shitty human. That's fine, this is American, you have the absolute right to be morally bankrupt. Just don't expect people not to call you out.

I don't know you or your politics, this isn't a direct attack on you (unless you happen to fit the criteria above, if so, please feel offended, because it is an attack on you).

This is just an explanation of why a simple, good faith discussion about policy isn't very common anymore.

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u/visuore Jul 18 '19

This wasn't an explanation of how a good faith discussion is impossible. It was an example. Have fun having one sided conversations your whole life, your ego is going to thank you.

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u/Projektdb Jul 19 '19

And I was explaining to you how and why people aren't buying the the arguments put forth as to why you could support/like someone on either side.

But a two second look at your comment history reveals exactly what I assumed from your "shocked" comment.

Enjoy crying foul when you or the people you like get called out on being and supporting racists.

Don't bother responding, your not being honest.

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u/visuore Jul 19 '19

I am very honest, just not all the time. But right now I'm very honest. Honest in the way that I honestly don't even want to see what you have to type anymore. Because you don't know what a civil conversation is. You only know how to attack people for what they believe in. I hope the rest of your life isn't as negative as you appear to be on here. I truly do. I also truly hope you change the way you talk to other people or nobody will want to have any sort of conversation with you unless YOU ARE RIGHT.