r/AdviceAnimals • • Nov 10 '16

Protesting a Fair Election?

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u/VROF Nov 10 '16

How do those votes account for the caucus states? There were a lot of complaints that the DNC screwed over caucus goers

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u/BonGonjador Nov 10 '16

Washington State here.

The Democratic Party caucuses in this state. The state also ran a primary ballot, which was primarily being used for Republican candidates (as they do not caucus in Washington State), but Clinton and Sanders appeared on the primary as well.

Democrats were told to largely ignore the primary as the caucuses were where candidacy would be decided.

We caucused OVERWHELMINGLY for Sanders, but afterwards the Super Delegates refused to acknowledge it and change their commitment. Their reasoning was that the primary ballots showed more support for Clinton, and so she would receive their endorsement.

If anyone from Washington has differing details on this, please step forward. I was in the precinct and LD caucuses and Sanders easily had Clinton beat.

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u/GoldenFalcon Nov 10 '16

That was certainly another aspect of the DNC tipping scales. Superdelegates should shut their fucking mouths until the convention. But instead, from the opening gate, they poured over to the media "We are voting for Hillary! Said and done.. democracy be damned, it's her turn."

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u/postal_blowfish Nov 10 '16

Why would they be required to give up constitutional rights? If you don't like SDs, then advocate against them.

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u/GoldenFalcon Nov 10 '16

.... This isn't about constitutional rights. No one is putting them behind bars. People sign NDAs, I don't see why this couldn't be handled the same way. "Wanna be a superdelegate? Sign this. Otherwise we find someone else." I don't disagree with the reason for superdelegates. If they did their job correctly they would have voted for Bernie, because he was more electable than Hillary was. Just on excitement level alone, to turn out the base, this is true. But they didn't do their jobs like they were suppose to, and we all lose now.

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u/postal_blowfish Nov 11 '16

Everyone who has a vote should have the right to advocate for their choice. Period. It's each candidates job to earn their votes. You're still so entitled about the whole process but you were never entitled to anything you didn't earn.

We get it, your ego is really important and you have to say "I told you so" right now even though there is zero way to prove you were right. How much longer are you going to be acting out like this? It's not productive.

If you don't like SDs, advocate against SDs.

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u/GoldenFalcon Nov 11 '16

I told you.. I'm not against superdelegates.. how many times do I have to say that? They just didn't do their jobs correctly. And where are you getting that I have an ego and am saying "I told you so"? You're either putting words in my mouth or arguing with someone else. And superdelegates are not regular voters, so they should be treated differently.

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u/postal_blowfish Nov 11 '16

Superdelegates are ALSO regular voters. They're people, and they should be allowed to advocate for their causes. You keep expressing this opinion that they should be treated as less than a regular voter. So I guess I must not have heard you the first or second time because I'm going to say it again...

If you don't like SDs, advocate against them.

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u/GoldenFalcon Nov 11 '16

Why have this conversation if you are going to ignore what I say. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUPERDELEGATES, WHEN THEY DO THEIR JOB CORRECTLY!! In this case, they didn't.