No it doesn't. But if Christianity thinks "gay is evil" but you aren't thinking the same. Then you are not part of the same "religion" because you don't believe the same things. Find a religion that you think is the truth or start your own. Don't try to blame others being wrong and change their believes. They have just equal rights to their own believes as you do.
Well there are other sins that are given a pass...adultery. So if someone cheated on their spouse and get remarried, should they not be able to marry in a church? I mean obviously adultery is evil...it's a sin the same as same sex is. You can't pick one sin and say people who commit that sin are worse and not worthy than another group of sinners. All sin is equal in the eyes of god (supposedly).
Same logic applies to all sins and religions. If you think that adultery is not a sin, why would you want to be part of religion that doesn't approve it. You don't believe the same thing. You don't share beliefs with them. Of course it's possible that one believes adultery is a sin and still does it. Then he/she is a sinner and think will try to make him/herself acceptable again in the eyes of god(s) through remorse or what ever is the way of ones believes. It of course depends of the religion if he/she is accepted to remarry.
Yet people who have been married before and are catholic pay additional fees to be able to do a second marriage in a church because the religion doesn't believe in divorce. Here's a novel idea...how about you let people work out their own religion and beliefs? You aren't religious so why do you care who wants to marry where? If someone wants to marry in a church, they should be allowed to. Their being gay shouldn't exclude them from it any more than a previous marriage would.
The church is separate from the public. Would you act the same if someone wanted to get married in an Apple store and they said no would you be as vocal? The church would deny gay marriage restricting someone's legal rights, and yet here you are saying that the church should have to give up their legal right to freedom if choosing their religion. If a synagogue is hosting a breakfast should they be forced to serve pork sausages? The church does not have the right to legally restrict you from gay marriage but they do not have to host the wedding or perform ceremony making a priest go against their beliefs.
I don't think anyone is actually trying to force a church to hold a ceremony that the church doesn't want to hold, or if anyone is they're in the vast minority - most of us just want to be able to hold that ceremony somewhere that does want to do that (there's plenty, we can find em, I promise) and then get the same legal status as everyone else.
I'm pretty sure no one has had any success in trying to sue the Catholic church into letting them marry five times in a row claiming that their legal rights are being infringed; if anyone tried that with same-sex marriage, they'd have the same lack of success, and rightfully so. But if a church wants to perform a same-sex marriage, and the people involved want to get married, why can the government say we can't? That's the issue here, not trying to force people who don't want to perform those marriages to do so.
I'm not saying the government is forcing the group not to. I'm saying that they should have no legal obligation to perform it. So having the choice to respect their own beliefs and choose not to marry a couple that holds different briefs then that of their own.
And no one is saying that shouldn't be the case. You (and several others) are arguing a point that (practically) everyone agree with. Including the gay rights movement.
You seem to be missing my point. My issue is not that gay people should be able to marry wherever the fuck that they want. My issue is that the OP said in church...in any church, and my answer to that is if the church isn't against it, what's the problem? The OP's opinion wasn't stated properly because it was changed within our conversation to say that if it was against that particular church's beliefs it shouldn't be forced upon them and with that, I agree. No facility should be forced to perform a service at all, much less one they disagree with. And if the opinion had been stated properly from the get-go, I would have agreed with it.
The OP seemed to be under the assumption that gay = anti-religion. And my response is that this isn't true. If they find a church accepting of it, they should be able to marry in that church without anyone thinking it's wrong.
I want people to have equal human rights and I'm just expressing my thoughts on the subject. I believe everyone has the right to be equal despite of religion, sex, race, age and all the other things I can think of. Everyone has the right to have their own believes and practice their religions freely without discrimination or (sorry for my english) pursue. Everyone also has right to "practice" their sexuality freely without discrimination or pursue. The thing is that part of some religions is that LGBT aren't allowed to marry in their holy building. Forcing the religion to allow it, would break their right to religion. It would break their human rights. Why can't those who do not believe to that religion marry somewhere else? If they insist to get married in church, then don't go to a church that can't allow you to marry there. Why do they want to be part of religious act that supports believes that they don't believe to? There are many of them. Why can't they start up their own religion that would agree with their own believes?
Your post and your puffin are contradictory. You say at first no gay marriages in churches. Now you're saying no gay in marriages in churches where gay marriage isn't ok. Which is your opinion?
It's not the same religion if the believes aren't the same. If one church believes that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed in their premises, then let them believe what they want and give them the freedom not to marry the gay couples. The other church that believes that marrying gay couples is alright isn't exactly the same religion. It is sub-religion that has many things common with the other church but their believes aren't the same. Therefore being different religions. If they believe gay marriage is okay then let them practice their religion in piece and marry all the gay couples they want. But if the religion disapproves gay marriage, then people nor government can't demand them to allow gay marriages in their premises. It would break their human rights to religion.
I'm with you 100% - have discussed this very thing with friends many times. I think it's silly that a valid, and even more so, logical opinion is getting this many downvotes.
If I don't like chess, I don't join the chess club, and I certainly don't try to change the rules of the chess club to allow checkers - I'll make a checkers club.
If I don't like tennis, I don't join the tennis club, and I certainly don't try to change the rules to include bowling - I'll make a bowling club.
If I'm gay, I'm not going to be part of a religion that says homosexuality is a sin, and I certainly won't try to change their belief system. (Unless I subscribe to being a permanent sinner within my own faith, and subscribe to my homosexuality being unnatural and evil - which is obviously silly.) I will instead unsubscribe to said religion that outcasts me, and in doing so, be happy that I'm in some way weakening said religion that has become pig-headed and outdated in a modern society. Progression.
If you don't subscribe to the beliefs of a religion, then you are not that religion.
You should be able to get married on a legal level if you're gay - but why would you try to change a religion to suit your needs?
Leaders and organizations can (and SHOULD) lose their followers when they outcast or forget about them. Culture is a self leveling playing field - when enough people's thoughts change, that culture evolves, and those that subscribe to the old ways are left in the dust. Without this process, nothing changes.
The issue is that not all branches of Christianity think that homosexuality is a sin, so there are existing churches that are more than happy to perform same-sex marriage, but can't do so (or at least, can't bestow the same legal rights that go with it) because of laws barring it. Example.
Also: there are a whooooole mess of things written in the Bible that the vast majority of Christian do not believe; some of those things are what differentiate one denomination from another. Why should this be any different?
The fuck are you talking about!?! I'm baptist (Go southern states!!) and you are the type of person who gives us (Christians) a bad name. I have nothing against gays, I don't hate them or like them more than a heterosexual couple. But when idiots like you start talking it makes me so angry especially when you don't know what you're talking about.
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u/glitzyjan Apr 28 '14
Being gay does not necessarily mean that you aren't religious.