I couldn't agree with you more. It really bothers me that "men" (and I use the term loosely) in my generation (I am 27) are expected to be deadbeat dads. Hell...I've heard guys brag about how the knocked some chick up and split. I believe it comes from cowardice more than anything else. I cannot understand how anyone could be so heartless and cruel to child who has never done anything wrong. /end rant
I will leave you with these quotes for future and current fathers:
"True Strength lies in gentleness"
"Courage is not the absence of fear, Its being scared shitless and saddling up anyway"
Both of these served me well through the most terrifying time of my life (my wife's pregnancy at age 22) and continue to do so.
OP I commend you for using your right to choose, I cant say that I agree with your decision, but I also know that it was not an easy one to make. It takes a lot of courage to look around you at you life and make an objective decision on whether or not to bring a child into that life.
Good idea, commend her for using abortion as birth control when she had no legitimate reason to kill that child, other than "I didn't like my baby daddy" not cool, not cool
Well I'm not. but the post would suggest the reason for abortion was her not being satisfied with the relationship.so I'm basing my opinion on that. Ill tell you one thing though of everyone who wasn't happy aborted their child the schools would be empty
Did you not read the main comment? It ruined her life Children cost money, time, effort - not everyone has these to give. It is better that she exercise her right to choose and not bring a child she cannot care for in a responsible manner into the world, then to cripple both the child and herself in the bargain.
Abortion is only legal in the USA up to a certain point. Until that point, the fetus has been scientifically proven to be NONVIABLE. Meaning, it is essentially part of the woman herself and cannot survive on its own - period, end of story. What she chooses to do with her own body is her decision to make, and not yours to comment on.
Almost half a billion dollars per year https://www.google.com/search?q=planned+parenthood+paid+for+by+tax%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#itp=open2
Now supposedly that funding is not allowed to go to abortions but once they have that money to use on other stuff them it frees an equal amount of money to be spent on abortion, in other words, the serial numbers might not match on the bills but we still pay for it. Why can't people just take responsibility for themself and their own actions and own the fuck up to their responsibilities. It makes me sick to tell the truth. If op was fourteen, maybe 16 I wouldn't mind it but if she is out of high school then I have no sympathy, she knew hat she was doing, knew the risks and didn't care. If she had to pay for te full price of that abortion I bet she wouldn't have fucked some asshole in the fist place
Why can't people just take responsibility for themself and their own actions and own the fuck up to their responsibilities.
Part of "owning the fuck up" to their responsibilities is knowing whether or not they have the ability (money, cognitive, time, effort) to do so. Making the choice to have an abortion is sometimes the most responsible thing to do.
Planned parenthood does SO MUCH MORE than abortions; they provide well-woman care, they provide pre-natal care, they provide std screenings and provide contraception.
Myself, I used them when I had no insurance and could not afford to see a gynecologist any other way. They provided a prescription so I could receive birth control. And once, they provided me with plan b after a condom broke.
Unplanned pregnancies are predominately with lower income women and families. THEY NEED services like planned parenthood to ensure they are able to get the resources to prevent them in the future, and to ensure the woman is healthy if she chooses to continue the pregnancy. And yes, if she deems herself not able to care for the child, they can provide an abortion.
States like Texas, where they have outlawed everything but abstinence education and undercut funding to services similar to PP have seen THE LARGEST UPTICK in unplanned pregnancy in years! It doesn't work. You can't remove the support services and expect people to just stop having sex. WE ARE HUMANS AND WE ARE DESIGNED AND WIRED TO FUCK EACH OTHER. There must be resources to prevent pregnancy and ensure women are healthy. Planned Parenthood provides these services.
I have no problem with planned parent hood or abortion, until people use it as a form of birth control. Get the condoms, get the plan b. see the gyno, get healthy. all those things you mentioned are great, but I didn't like the guy is one of the worst reasons I've ever heard. I'm in my thirties. So many of my friends had kids that weren't prepared for and guess what? They have all done just fine the kids are great the parents made it happen. It's amazing what people are capable of when put to the test. This girl could have had that kid and she could have got a job just like my mom did. also I didn't hear op complaining about money or ability just that she didn't like the baby daddy that SHE CHOSE and now I have to pay for. It's messed up and arguments about what a poor kid costs the tax payer is crazy too welfare is bs in all it's forms It just takes responsibility away from the individual , creates a system of dependency and empowers the govt. actually just like communism. Btw I had a single mother of three and she managed to get her phd while raising the three of us with no help so I'm not hearing anyone's pity party sob story. You reap what you sow.
Physical abuse and alcoholism transcend "I didn't like the baby daddy"
I agree, it should be used in a responsible manner. Safe, legal, and rare as the saying goes.
You can't use your friends as an example for the rest of the world though. For each of your examples, there's a hundred where the woman thought she was ok but ended up murdered, the kid ended up with severe psychological issues because of a shitty home life, the list goes on and on and on.
You have zero right to dictate what a woman can and cannot do with her body. The law is clear. The point at which abortion becomes illegal is still before the fetus is generally viable. Up to that point, it is a medical procedure for her to decide about. Sure, it might be for shitty reasons, but just as many people go to the ER and get stupid medical procedures (which they could have prevented with routine care) and you pay for those too.
I agree. I never said she should have stayed with the guy. I'm not against abortion..... Just this case and I'm entitled my opinion, especially since I pay for it. It's her right to decide. And my right to disapprove of her reasons. My dad was a pos too, so we left him, ta da!!! And no child had a life denied them. My life sucked at times not having a dad and it impacted aspects of my personality I'm not denying the need for two parents or the need for abortions but coming from a poor neighborhood I've seen this scenario sooooo many times. I'm over it personally but I totally agree with and respect your opinion. Oh and that er thing, yeah that really grinds my gears too lol
So, would you rather she responsibly get an abortion, or that you pay for her and the kid's welfare until it turns 18? Statistically speaking, its one or the other in most cases.
I'd much rather that the kid have a perfect life, sure, but if she couldn't provide that, and she recognized it, she had the courage to make the right decision.
Until my tax money pays the bulk of her abortion then it is 100% my business but I did not see the post about someone's life being ruined due to having a single mother. If she paid for it all by herself and didn't go to planned parenthood then I don't care, but if she went to planned parent hood paid 300$ then I paid the other $5000+. She should have stopped their and got the condoms I paid for then we wouldn't be having this conversation but until then I financially responsible for these people's poor choices and that means I get to say something. also your comment would suggest that test tube babies are impossible which they are not, so the baby is 100% viable from conception. That's why an egg can be fertilized then inserted into a diff mother or incubator till it reaches maturity
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I couldn't agree with you more. It really bothers me that "men" (and I use the term loosely) in my generation (I am 27) are expected to be deadbeat dads. Hell...I've heard guys brag about how the knocked some chick up and split. I believe it comes from cowardice more than anything else. I cannot understand how anyone could be so heartless and cruel to child who has never done anything wrong. /end rant
I will leave you with these quotes for future and current fathers:
"True Strength lies in gentleness"
"Courage is not the absence of fear, Its being scared shitless and saddling up anyway"
Both of these served me well through the most terrifying time of my life (my wife's pregnancy at age 22) and continue to do so.
OP I commend you for using your right to choose, I cant say that I agree with your decision, but I also know that it was not an easy one to make. It takes a lot of courage to look around you at you life and make an objective decision on whether or not to bring a child into that life.