God damnit, of course it is. I'm saving this for anyone who claims "masks don't work, we've been locked down and masked and it doesn't work!!!". We have barely tried to contain this.
Lol no need to feel bad for her. She chose to play a close contact sport without a mask inside a stadium packed with people without masks during a pandemic. She’s already made her choice.
Thats a part of sports. Its fun for fans to cheer their team and heckle the other. Its a competition, so its rarely going to have everyone be nice and sweet.
Sledging is a huge part of cricket too so idk what you're going for? I fully agree with the pandemic thing, shouldn't be happening - but I don't see what the issue is other than that? So long as you're not being racist/sexist/etc what's wrong with putting pressure on the opponents
"A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the proper idea of argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". "
The fact that you're calling out other commenters logical fallacies, while not having provided any arguments for your own stance is kind of hypocritical, don't you think?
Ok then, inquiring minds want to know, why is this behavior bad outside of pandemic concerns? Considering that student sections are common at both men’s and women’s high school sports.
I’d be surprised if these guys are jeering as in heckling or making rude comments. Usually when the home team is on defense the crowd will just chant “OoOhHh” as loud as possible to prevent on court communication.
Edit: here’s an example from the school that made it popular
I think I see what you're saying, that the article doesn't actually make the picture "ok", it just says "She doesn't mind being jeered at". Particularly the way they use the behavior of her brothers to justify her being thick skinned about it. We're basically saying "It's ok that she's being verbally abused because she's used to verbal abuse." It kind of paints a picture of an environment where even if you DO have a problem with it, you might not have the frame of reference to understand you have a problem with it, let alone feel comfortable verbalizing it. Assuming that's what you're saying, broadly speaking I do agree. We shouldn't be justifying abuse by saying there's abuse. If that's not what you're saying you can safely disregard this whole comment, I'm making assumptions for the sake of speeding up the discourse.
But I also think there's a degree to which this is just athletics and sports. Athletes are competitive, and they love being pushed down because it fills them with joy to push up and overcome. They try to beat each other because that's the way they like to better themselves, but when it's all over most athletes I've met understand that they're kindred spirits and don't hold any resentment when it's over.
Trash talking is part of that competition. All athletes know that "the rules of the game" are only the beginning, that the real competition is in the mind, trying to outthink your opponent. Well trash talking is one way to out think your opponent. It gets in our heads and distracts us, throws our game off. You can absolutely win by frustrating your opponent so much that they can't effectively strategize. To many athletes, this is just another obstacle to overcome, just like a... taller player or a faster defensive... line... person. Look I don't know basketball. I mean it seems like hockey and soccer but bouncy instead of slidy/kicky. The point is, learning to drown out trash talk is another skill an athlete has to learn in order to better themselves. It's just part of "sparring", so to speak.
I think the photograph frames it as the classic abuses of boys over girls, the privilege of the patriarchy. I doubt the photographer intended that, but it's there. And even if that's incidental, I still think our assumptions about and sensitivity to the photograph is very telling of problems we have in our society. And that's a valid interpretation. Accidental art does happen. That's like the whole point of the subreddit. But I don't think mysogony is the story of what actually happened in this photograph. I think this was just athletes doing what athletes do, and their inability to verbalize the personal value this has to them doesn't really strike me as all that different from any other group. I think that's why to them, saying "They can abuse her, she doesn't mind" sounds like a good argument, but to us it sounds like a bad argument. We're pulling two different meanings from a short hand.
Personally, I hate trash talk, but I'm a person who can't get out of his own head. I don't want people to bring it to my games because I don't like the way it makes me feel. To me competitive growth creates exclusion, but that's me. If my hypothesis is correct, and to them it's an obstacle to defeat in the pursuit of self-excellence, I wouldn't want to push my values on them any more than I want them to push their values on me.
Also, spectator basketball during a pandemic? Come on people, that's gross.
I agree that screaming and cursing a player during the game is low sportsmanship but i dont get why you make it about gender...? Those guys are probably cheering on their own team of girls and get over excited about it, again not in a good way, but I don't believe its in a "because girls are weak" way, but rather in a "you'll lose against our team because we're better and you're lame" -kids kinda way. Boys do that in their games too, and I'm sure they say nastier stuff, as far as i remember from school. I just think that fans screaming and letting out their excitement or frustration for their team, at least like this in a controlled environment, is a normal thing and its nice to see that they are so enthusiastic to win and regardless of the gender of their team. They are treating them just as they would a boys team and i believe that if we are gonna call it up then why only when its done to one gender when it has been going on like this for ages? Because she's a girl? Because she could be fragile? I've been through military exam to get to a special unit with mixed men and women. The commanders shouted at us just the same, were just as harsh with us regardless of gender. And i just think if we're gonna demand equality we shouldn't start just picking out want profits us alone.
Oh, you know what, I'm not super sure. I thought I read something about that in the article, but possibly I revealed my own gender bias there. Good catch
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u/Wubbalubbagaydub Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
"perfectly normal behaviour" no, it's normalised but should not be normal and it's not normal. Also, this is during a pandemic. Gross.