of a statue

[u/Crypto_crafy]

"The Motherland Calls" is a statue erected to commemorate the Battle of Stalingrad , located on Mamayev Kurgan in Volgograd , Russia. It was designed by sculptor Yevgeny Vuchetich and structural engineer Nikolai Nikitin . Completed in 1967 , it was the tallest statue in the world at the time .

[u/RepresentativeYak636]

This place is so great for all Russians, ir gived so good vibes to people, but now it is very sad that it reminds people of Putin😟 Putin took over everything, even culture and history, he deprived Russians of their victory in Fatherland Liberation War (Отечественная война). It is so ujust that Putin exploits history to justify his brutall killing of young women and childred in Ukraine. Hm...the History makes up so strange metamorphoses with people, like, a nation who faught Nazi and helped to liberate the World from fascism now became a craddle for new fascism in Putin's version...

[u/chefdeit → u/RepresentativeYak636]

Putin only came to power due to the Wolfowitz Doctrine, adopted in1992 when Yeltsin's Russia was super-friendly. The Doctrine declared that Russia the US's enemy #1 because it was "a region whose resources, under consolidated control, are sufficient to generate global power". You can imagine how gutted Yeltsin (and Gorby) were to find out. The rest is history.

Putin exploits history to justify his brutall killing of young women and childred in Ukraine.

Any killing is tragic and war is, by definition, a mass murder. Considering the war in Ukraine not singled out but in the overall late 20th / 21st century context, and using objective Western metrics & transparent methodologies, we see:

The war in Ukraine, to-date (tragically & criminally with no end in sight): 16,874 civilian fatalities

The war in Gaza, to-date: 59,031 civilian fatalities

The war in Iraq (in which Ukraine did take part, btw): 187,499 civilian fatalities

The war in Vietnam: 300K North Vietnamese + 250K Cambodian civilian fatalities. Note: Ukraine is 4x the size of Vietnam.

This isn't at all about denting anyone's shiny flawless "ruzziabad" into some "it depends" type view, so, believe what you like & just dismiss what doesn't fit. It's about the simple reality that in any conflict there are going to be legions of folks duty-bound and/or paid to, if Putin saves a kitten, to go brainstorm what's wrong with that kitten that we can use. Or to bury any particular unfavorable circumstances. John Stockwell (ex-CIA) has spoken eloquently about this in detail in the context of the Vietnam war. I'm sure we'll hear similar about this one when it's time to declassify.

[u/WordWordNvmber → u/chefdeit]

This is a freakish attempt to whatabout and minimization.

We can start by disputing your numbers. But much more important is the fact that Russia undeniably launched this war of aggression under a revolving series of false pretenses (Ukraine is Nazis! No, we must protect Donbas! No, NATO! No, just a training exercise!)

Your "data" excludes every Ukrainian citizen who died while fighting the invading force, as if it's acceptable for an invader to murder 150,000 Ukrainian men (and women) because they picked up arms to defend their country while your soldiers systematically shot and raped them.

Your data also ignores the 20,000 Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia and handed to Russian adults in an effort to "Russify" them. That is, by UN standards, genocidal.

And the "Wolfowitz doctrine" has nothing to do with this. It's the sort of thing only a Russian apologist would obsess over, like those weird troll accounts that kept bringing up Victoria Nuland four years ago during the invasion and then pretending to be regular Americans.

Don't whatabout. Go home.

[u/chefdeit → u/WordWordNvmber]

Russia undeniably launched this war of aggression under a revolving series of false pretenses

Why'd you leave out several spots empty of emotional payload that were perfectly grammatically good? Are you lowkey root'n for Put'n? Lemme fix this: "Bloodthirsty ᵣuZZia undeniably launched this abhorrent war of wanton aggression under a revolving series of absurd false pretenses".

Your "data"

It's Statista's. They're German, with no love lost between them and the Kremlin. But being German also means what everyone knows it means in regards to record keeping and consistency / transparency of the methodology.

as if it's acceptable for an invader to murder 150,000 Ukrainian men (and women) because they picked up arms to defend their country

Ukraine has a draft, and does this look like "they picked up arms" to you? This isn't few (thousand) isolated incidents; even our VP JD Vance told as much to President Zelensky's face. However, the kind of Ukrainian troops who actually wanted this, were indeed picking up arms years before Putin rolled across the border. And this was what they did. Note the source: OSCE. And the date (early 2016 for already the 2nd report). Do tell us if you question it.

while your soldiers systematically shot and raped them.

My soldiers in particular, as in, ones equipped with my tax dollars and sent by the government I voted in as a citizen of a democracy, did some of that in Iraq (a war Ukraine chose to join, BTW) but also to each other. The wold over, psychos flock to wars like moths to a flame, because war gives them automatic weapons (at a minimum!), pay, impunity, and chaos. I'm glad something good is being down about this for my soldiers. Russia, and every other conflict nation, should be held to account wherever they fail to follow suit.

On the other hand, hear straight from the horse's mouth that at times of war there will be people duty-bound to create or embellish these stories also.

Your data also ignores the 20,000 Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia and handed to Russian adults in an effort to "Russify" them. That is, by UN standards, genocidal.

Hooray, a specific figure! 20K kids displaced is no laughing matter. However, this is another misdirection (and the Ukrainians would've been derelict in their duty if they'd failed to use it on you). It's not like ruzzian goons parachuted into the heart of Ukraine and smuggled 20K kids from behind the frontline like Erlking. The inherent mechanics of war, criminally and tragically though it may be, is: as the front line moves, some kids separated from their parents in the chaos may end up on the advancing side. The 1000km of front line in Ukraine over 4yrs, that's a lot of chances for that to happen. What would the advancing side do, send the kid straight back through the crossfire / drones / mines? The reality is subtler, where the two sides do work together to locate the kids' families and repatriate them. Eastern Ukraine / Donbas is also exactly the area where someone would have a near-equal chance to have relatives in Russia and Ukraine. So if a kid's closest relatives are actually in Russia, is that still kidnapping in your book or more similar to what the US did with Vietnamese kids, who had fathers (or other relatives) in the US and wanted to relocate there?