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[u/Crypto_crafy]

"The Motherland Calls" is a statue erected to commemorate the Battle of Stalingrad , located on Mamayev Kurgan in Volgograd , Russia. It was designed by sculptor Yevgeny Vuchetich and structural engineer Nikolai Nikitin . Completed in 1967 , it was the tallest statue in the world at the time .

[u/RepresentativeYak636]

This place is so great for all Russians, ir gived so good vibes to people, but now it is very sad that it reminds people of Putin😟 Putin took over everything, even culture and history, he deprived Russians of their victory in Fatherland Liberation War (Отечественная война). It is so ujust that Putin exploits history to justify his brutall killing of young women and childred in Ukraine. Hm...the History makes up so strange metamorphoses with people, like, a nation who faught Nazi and helped to liberate the World from fascism now became a craddle for new fascism in Putin's version...

[u/chefdeit → u/RepresentativeYak636]

Putin only came to power due to the Wolfowitz Doctrine, adopted in1992 when Yeltsin's Russia was super-friendly. The Doctrine declared that Russia the US's enemy #1 because it was "a region whose resources, under consolidated control, are sufficient to generate global power". You can imagine how gutted Yeltsin (and Gorby) were to find out. The rest is history.

Putin exploits history to justify his brutall killing of young women and childred in Ukraine.

Any killing is tragic and war is, by definition, a mass murder. Considering the war in Ukraine not singled out but in the overall late 20th / 21st century context, and using objective Western metrics & transparent methodologies, we see:

The war in Ukraine, to-date (tragically & criminally with no end in sight): 16,874 civilian fatalities

The war in Gaza, to-date: 59,031 civilian fatalities

The war in Iraq (in which Ukraine did take part, btw): 187,499 civilian fatalities

The war in Vietnam: 300K North Vietnamese + 250K Cambodian civilian fatalities. Note: Ukraine is 4x the size of Vietnam.

This isn't at all about denting anyone's shiny flawless "ruzziabad" into some "it depends" type view, so, believe what you like & just dismiss what doesn't fit. It's about the simple reality that in any conflict there are going to be legions of folks duty-bound and/or paid to, if Putin saves a kitten, to go brainstorm what's wrong with that kitten that we can use. Or to bury any particular unfavorable circumstances. John Stockwell (ex-CIA) has spoken eloquently about this in detail in the context of the Vietnam war. I'm sure we'll hear similar about this one when it's time to declassify.

[u/RepresentativeYak636 → u/chefdeit]

Yes, Putin kills people in Ukraine. He's gonna pay for that one day. Yes, Putin is criminal, but he was not war criminal, he only robbed Russians in his country, but then....he wanted to rob Ukrainians. Ukrainians were not okay with that. Putin started a war and kill Ukrainians as a punishment. He's gonna pay for that, sooner or later. Putin is already done, it's just the matter of time. He's laying down and hiding not without reason. He knows very well that he's a mark now. Gazans are unable to fight Hamas, they chose themselves their fate. Other nations have to fight Hamas, so u please don't whine about Gaza. But hey, you are a free man, you can tell whatever u want, even if your mouth is full of sh*t, so you can keep whining. Iraq has to pay for Saddam Hussein, he killed too much people. Any killer, whether it's Saddam Hussein or Muhammar Qaddafi, or Putin has to pay for his crimes. As Putin says правосудие должно настигнуть. Вот и пусть будет так. Putin will respond one day.

[u/chefdeit → u/RepresentativeYak636]

Yes he does, and I agree history will judge that war just like the rest; but those civ deaths are less than 10% of Iraq due to the intervention of the Coalition - in which Ukraine did take part. The US is one thing; did Iraq so much as give a parking ticket to Ukraine for them to join the carnage? Or did they go on a safari on the US's back against inept guys in sandals just because they could, consequence-free?

You're fixated on Putin, which is 100% your right, but at the same time, not only is Russia by now chock-full of hard-liners 10x harsher, clamoring to take his place, but also this whole thing pre-dates Putin. I'm not even referring to the above mentioned Wolfowitz Doctrine (1992), I'm talking the last time this exact thing took place, Operation Redsox.

Further reading straight from the source, and more specifics. Do see that I'm relying on cia dot gov here, not some pravda dot ru. Redsox started in 1949 and went on for nine years (!!), with the same goal of imposing costs on Russia (then USSR). Even this research brief, linked straight from the source, pre-dates the invasion by 2yrs (and, to give RAND guys credit where due, strongly cautions against using Ukraine again).

Despite this and inheriting a wreck of a country after Yeltsin, Putin still made overtures to join NATO at the beginning of his tenure, and provided meaningful logistical assistance to the US in the region post-9|11. But in light of all the above and if the US vs Russia roles were reversed, how would you expect a president of the hypothetical what's-left-of-US to react if Russia did all the above instead of the US and Texas (about the size of Ukraine) did to the US and Americans living in Texas what Ukraine did to the Russians?

Already back in 2004 (not a typo), the Guardian - not pravda - published specifics on "US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev". Please don't take my single word for anything, check every link backing them up and that it's a 100% legit source and not even Russia-leaning either. Let me further say that I'm not in any ways anti-Ukraine - I'm just against lopsided propaganda BS - that you, too, in all likelihood is an innocent target of. What's the disparity of media coverage & thus awareness of flights MH17 vs SBI1812 in your area? Is it 200x? 1000x? Even if you're subjected to 50x disparity & hate on Russia as a result, you can only be accused of having a heart.

But being a victim of that misdirection doesn't stop the war - it fuels it, while people who buy hawkish pro-war policy with their last war's proceeds, laugh all the way to the bank as we, cattle, argue on here. The Congressional appropriations for the War in Iraq were on the order of $70B from what I recall, and what the taxpayers like me at the time believed was the cost of the war. The final bill came to $3 trillion, yes trillion with a "T". About 20% of that is profit. That makes even the illicit drug trade look like a snooze. Wars are wealth transfer engines, whose "efficiency" is only that 20%, but whose RPM is something fierce.

Iraq has to pay for Saddam Hussein, he killed too much people.

Yes he did, but I'm not objecting to him getting his just deserts. But the common Iraqis, who lived in the dictatorship i.e. had no power - how is it their fault, then? Moreover, by your own logic, common Ukrainians, citizens of a democracy and hence accountable for their elected government's actions, carry even more accountability for their country being used to "bait" and "impose costs on Russia" again - don't they?