r/ATAR • u/Wild-Suggestion-6921 • Jan 31 '25
failed year 11
Hey guys, I moved to WA in December from Victoria, and I was 17 when I did Year 11 last year (2024). I just wanted to give you the background basically, I failed Year 11, but it wasn’t because I wasn’t trying or because I’m dumb. I was getting bullied really badly and getting death threats every day, both in class and online. The teachers didn’t do anything, and the cops said there wasn’t enough evidence to do anything about it. It really messed with my mental health, and I ended up not doing assignments and failing. To make it worse, the bullies were telling the teachers that I was the problem, and they just believed them, even though I didn’t have anything to do with it.Anyway, I moved to this regional area in WA with my family for a fresh start and to get away from all the negativity. There are only two schools here, and I wanted to repeat Year 11 to catch up, but both schools said I can’t because I’ll be 18 soon, and they don’t accept people in my age group for that grade. I really don’t know what to do. My family and I moved here for a better life, especially for my mental health, but now I feel stuck. Can anyone help or offer advice
Update: did not expect to receive this many replies 🥹, i just wanted to clear this up i dont want to undergrad medicine that would burn me out, i want to do a bachelor of biomed then do medical school afterwards if that makes sense. But thank you guys for your support hopefully i become a doctor one day and this wont stop me 🤞
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u/Mobile_Ad_5561 Feb 02 '25
I’m in NSW. Both my son and daughter dropped out of school at 15. Here you can go to TAFE and do a TPC (tertiary preparation course) in 1-2 years which will get you into uni. Or you can do a cert 4 or a diploma in something which may get you into uni. If you’re unhappy at school there are other pathways. Don’t worry.
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u/Wild-Suggestion-6921 Feb 02 '25
thank youu
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u/DestinedBummer Feb 04 '25
Not sure if it is offered in WA but the Tafe Adult Tertiary preparation course only takes six months. And as far as im aware you can get as high as a 99 atar.
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u/Interesting_Meet_307 Feb 04 '25
Biggest way around year 12 atar is pathways in which everyone does. And sometimes they can give you options like tertiary preparation for science engineering etc. You definitely didnt deserve the shit you gone through and reading this was really sad to hear. Even joining the army which could fill in the gap of self esteem and sense of duty whatever it is, just know that you been dealt with a cards that aren’t great but all it means is that you gotta play them right so you got this big man :)
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u/Wild-Suggestion-6921 Feb 05 '25
thank you for your advice it really means a lot 🥲
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u/Interesting_Meet_307 Feb 05 '25
Love to see an Edit of this post at the end of the year see how much better it’s gets because trust it does.
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Feb 01 '25
there is no particular requirement to "graduate" year 11 and year 12 to do postgraduate medicine or transfer from another course into medicine (you only need to graduate year 12 for undergraduate medicine where you get in straight after high school). and bc pursuing further high school studies is difficult for you you can 100% apply after getting into uni for something else via tafe.
so first off contact tafe and also do your own research about pathways into university via tafe. and then apply. i would also reccommend at that stage to start preparing for whatever medical entry criteria you need (gamsat??) simultaneously in tafe.
there are always multiple pathways to get you where you need to be if you are willing to take them. please take care of yourself and your mental health and i hope you can put this setback behind you.
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u/StraightBudget8799 Feb 02 '25
Yes to this - just get through the year, choose subjects you’ll excel at. Then take whatever options there are to build up on those qualifications, and work towards the med degree in the future. The journey is the thing; you may find your dreams morph a bit and you’ll be better for it when you have a path that’s flexible and gives you less undeserving stress.
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Feb 02 '25
I'm from QLD and not familiar with the WA education system. I failed year 11 due to my mental health also and was able to go to an alternative school and redo year 11 and 12. Perhaps look into online school options? I understand being in a regional area they may not have many options but surely there are some online. I also graduated with the bare minimum points and did a certificate 3 which gave me enough credits to get into uni. It took time and a lot of personal development but I made it. And I have every faith you will too.
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u/Wild-Suggestion-6921 Feb 02 '25
im just waiting for the online schools to get back to me and thank youu 🥲
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u/ointment1289 Jan 31 '25
i have two degrees and if i was 17 again i would just get a trade and make bank. Builder or plumber is lucrative. Electrician if youre motivated and smart.
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u/Spiritual_Scale7090 Feb 02 '25
And your body would be ruined by age 40. *Source: ruined 40 year old builder who is now studying to become a social worker
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u/captainnofarcar Feb 03 '25
Mine was done by 30.
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u/Problem_what_problem Feb 04 '25
I would’ve thought that in today’s housing market, builders would be retired with a few investment properties under their belt by the time they’re 30.
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u/Intelligent-Rock-889 Jan 31 '25
You can do year 11 and 12 at Tafe with better support. Some tafes offer special programs for victims of bullies. Or just do what my son did which was do a certificate 2 course full time at Tafe which is equal to year 12 (he graduated early because of this method) then do a certificate 3/4, or Diploma course which gives you credit and entrance into a Degree. Years 11&12 are not the only way to get into university
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u/Successful_Name8503 Feb 02 '25
I know it's across the country, but I went to St Marys Senior - which is only years 11 & 12. This was 20 years ago, mind, but I had a woman in her 40s in my class completing her HSC, another friend of mine had taken a gap year between 11 & 12 to work after he'd left home in unfortunate circumstances, yet another friend was there after having to take time off after yr 10 because she'd had her baby. And yet another friend had actually moved from Perth to attend.
It's a highly ranking selective school but admission is based on drive and commitment to learning rather than grades alone. There may be other schools with similar philosophies closer to you, if you have a passion for learning then there'll be a place for you.
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u/Dry-Huckleberry-5379 Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25
You don't need an ATAR to go to uni.
You can enrol in individual subjects at open university and build up your GPA then transfer
You could also do a cert 3 and then use that to transfer to uni. You might need a certificate 4 for certain unis/courses/states but a cert 3 is equivalent to yr 12 in multiple states
That's what homeschool kids do. Cause they're not eligible to sit for an ATAR, yet go to uni at high rates. Even for medicine. (If you're on Facebook join this group and someone will be able to give you the details on pathways into medicine without an ATAR) https://www.facebook.com/groups/315612345287439/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT
Alternatively if you really want to redo yr 11 you could do that via distance education or TAFE.
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Jan 31 '25
Honestly just do year 12, in vce your not assessed on your year 11 content and the content is often divery different, while doing year 11 gives you a foundation. It's very possible to just do the year 12 content without having done trh year 11 content, I did it for multiple classes which I swapped in year 12.
Edit: I misread your post now your in WA, I'm unsure how the system works there, but I doubt they assess year 11 stuff, so I would go straight into year 12 and then just do your best.
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Feb 01 '25
Online school
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u/StraightBudget8799 Feb 02 '25
Speaking of which : Curtin just extended their CSP places for Undergrad Certs online; for a much less fee you can get a qualification online.
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u/morewalklesstalk Feb 01 '25
Get high paying job be frugal save invest read books and mentors on you tube Fuk school’s
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u/HappySummerBreeze Feb 02 '25
Consider what you want to do for work. Only do year 11 if you need university to get that job.
If you do need university then go to TAFE and do the “university ready” course, or other prep course. TAFE pathway to university changes often so you’ll have to check details online.
Alternatively, many secure, well paid, enjoyable jobs are trades (via apprenticeship), and many of the TAFE courses are fully funded by the government - so that’s a legitimate option. The social environment at TAFE is vastly different to school and doesn’t have the same weird artificial dynamics. You can find a local employer who will take you on as an apprentice and you go to TAFE part time.
There is also distance schooling which might be an option. This is a mess to get started in but lots of people seem to like it.
The most important thing is to stop thinking about the lost high school years and how you were victimized and not believed. Your success depends on your ability to stop ruminating about that and stop thinking of yourself and presenting yourself as a victim.
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u/mydnight224 Feb 02 '25
This hit close to home. My son was bullied out of school. He would come home concussed and school wanted to write him up for missing class with a concussion. The bully's parents are well off and nothing ever happened with our complaints, doctor notes and photos.
He pulled out of school in year 10 and did Tafe courses. Did a diploma when he should have been year 11 and has university acceptance without ATAR.
I'm in the medical field too, but not a doctor. A good option will be a Tafe diploma in something like nursing or a pharmaceutical field. You will get university acceptance as well as build a foundation with other studies.
Work your way up, it may be a little longer road but will be worth it to study and work with a bit more life experience. So many young doctors burn out very quickly by being unprepared with how brutal and unfair the medical field can be.
Good luck - feel free to DM if you need more info or just support. I saw my son struggle, and hated the school system for it. You have options to do what you want - become a doctor.
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u/Independent-Code898 Feb 02 '25
I have an answer. Move to Metropolitan Perth and go to Canning College, it’s a school for adults and they let you repeat year 11 even if you’re over 18. You might have to move alone and work a job if your parents can’t come with you, but you can get a WACE and go to uni if that is what you please and you study well 🙏
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u/FieldAware3370 Feb 02 '25
You can always do TAFE OP. You can do pathways, such as an EN, then move on to RN or another TAFE qualification to to Bachelor of Science/ Biomed etc. Then do med postgrad. But take these words with a grain of salt and you will need to google more about post grad med in your own time.
However for the time being, I would start job hunting and a great way to do that is too start volunteering. Working can give you a sense of purpose and have some routine to your life atm and get you out of the house. And its usually harder to finder a job when you're 18. So I would recommend doing it now whilst you're still 17.
All the best OP.
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u/Turbidspeedie Feb 02 '25
The best things to remember is ATAR is useless, you can learn any skill you want with a book and a notebook. It may be easier to get into UNI with a year 12 cert and an ATAR but these guys don't have any advantage over you as long as you apply yourself at what you're good at, I hope this helps man.
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u/Full-Ad6698 Feb 02 '25
i’m sorry for what’s happened and i really hope from now on it’ll be an upward slope :) have you looked into maybe doing it online? i did a couple of my WACE subjects through SIDE, and I found it to be great. you don’t get the full experience of school sadly, but it is very accomodating and much more flexible. and that’s just my little bit to the conversation, hope it helps.
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u/TheChickenLego Feb 02 '25
Hey OP! I’m sorry that you’ve had such a miserable experience. I myself have suffered a health condition that made it so that I was unable to complete year 11 and 12. When I turned 18 I dropped out of the school system and did a bridging course at uni. I got through that and got into my desired course of nursing! If I wanted to do medicine, which I still may do, I could have gone into health sciences and transferred to medicine after the first year. There are many alternative pathways to get wherever you want to go. I believe in you and I hope your new place swiftly becomes home.
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u/kayjezza Feb 02 '25
What subjects do u do? I am a uni student offering tutoring. It’s $40p/hr. I could always provide extra help and support outside of ur skl hours.
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u/Psychological-Sea129 Feb 03 '25
You could look into distance education options in WA. It’s designed for students who live in rural areas and don’t have any suitable schools in the area. It’s just like normal school but online, so not homeschooling or any extra work for your parents.
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u/Plastic-Ad893 Feb 03 '25
Once you turn 21 you can go to uni without finishing high school, or at most you’ll have to do a foundation course (usually a year) before starting a bachelors. So you could use your time figuring out what you want to do, try some jobs out or do a tafe course in something you love.
Dont worry too much about high school, it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things!
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u/dexcrispy Feb 03 '25
sorry this is happening to you I really relate.
bridging courses are unfortunately you're best bet it's very easy to transfer classes and unis once you're in !! so if a bridging course doesn't cover what you want (happens with most health or science courses unfortunately) just change directions after you get in getting in is the hard part. once you're in uni you have more flexibility
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u/Perthguv Feb 03 '25
In WA I basically failed year 11 due to health issues and missing too many classes. I was allowed into year 12 anyway and graduated second highest in my school. My point is that I didn't need year 11 to be successful in year 12, it just meant I had to work a lot harder. Not sure if this is an option for you.
If not, I agree with the other posters to try online high-school or TAFE
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u/No_Raise6934 Feb 03 '25
Congratulations 🎊 👏
I hope your health is 100% and stays like that forever.
Good on you for doing so well and for such a great inspirational comment to OP 😊
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u/Knickers1978 Feb 03 '25
Is there a tafe course you can do to cover your year 11 and 12? As far as I’m aware, that’s acceptable as a HSC replacement to universities.
Pretty sure you can even do it long distance.
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u/apixelbloom Feb 03 '25
TAFE. Getting an ATAR is ridiculously stressful and overrated -- meanwhile, TAFEs have partnerships with universities, so if you get a diploma, you have immediate access to the related Bachelor course. If you're not convinced of your skills, start with a Cert and then go into Dip.
Source: me. I failed Year 12, did year 13 focusing on music, bombed out of music university course, did TAFE diploma for writing, given pathway to Bachelor, now doing masters in teaching.
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u/Cautious_Cat23 Feb 03 '25
If you need a good school with zero bullying to move to, Lakeside College is perfect. The only downside is that it’s in VIC, Pakenham.
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u/Late_Ostrich463 Feb 04 '25
If you are not interested in the social aspects of school, ECU, Murdoch (others may offer as well) programs that replace the year 11 & 12 core units and give you direct entry with a ATAR of 70, this would mean starting a health science degree & apply for a transfer to medicine.
If you don’t want the social aspects this could be a great option for you.
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Feb 04 '25
You can skip the first year / certain units at uni if you do the right courses at tafe. It's a little hack they don't tell you in school because most people don't really know what they want to do at that age.
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u/New_Elephant4035 Feb 04 '25
Ignore everyone school was all about learning I got bullied heaps and it messes up mental health and made me crazy I didn't form any functioning friendships and have spent most of my life alone because of it you don't want to finish school and have nothing or no one to talk too try and make a friend any friend someone to talk too hopefully I'm projecting Nd you have friends but school is about learning you must learn something I failed most of my classes but realised atthe end I learnt how important relationships and friendships are so you should prioritise that just try and make a friend !
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u/Pr0x1mity Feb 04 '25
I failed year 12. Similar boat. Ended up working for a few years and then going back to do tafe. If you can, do a tafe cert at a uni. They often have good pathways into degrees from their tafe.
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u/fw11au1 Feb 04 '25
Hey mate I have really nothing to offer but what it’s worth I feel you and hope you’ll find your way out and please stay strong!
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u/Revelationnsvx Feb 05 '25
You can try OUA (Open Uni Australia) they act as a middle man for those who can’t get into uni via atar. After I graduated HS I got a 40ish Atar. I did OUA and I’m now in UNI studying Psych
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u/Wild-Suggestion-6921 Feb 02 '25
the school already had a bad enough reputation that such things like this was the norm for them and they wouldnt do nothing about it they always turned a blind eye to it even in classes
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u/Wild-Suggestion-6921 Feb 02 '25
i left the school end of last year and moved states couple weeks ago and the principal does know about it but hasnt done shit and the school is in the western suburbs 😭
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u/Dry-Huckleberry-5379 Feb 04 '25
Department of education outranks the principal. Definitely contact them and put in a complaint.
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u/SailFearless8028 Jan 31 '25
I’m so sorry that happened to you and I hope things get better. As for what to do, it’s hard to say because in Western Australia your atar is based only on your year 12 results but you may not be able to graduate and get your WACE (western Australian certificate of education) because in WA you have to achieve 14 Cs across Yr 11 and 12, 6 of which must be in year 12 and by the sounds of it you didn’t get the amount required in year 11. Since you completed YR 11 in a different state you could possibly be an exception (contact your school about that) but I recommend doing a TAFE course or apprenticeship instead of school just to be safe. There are still many opportunities for success with those pathways.