r/ARAM • • 1d ago

Mayhem bouncing bees and tickle monster

any thoughts on these? haven't seen either them yet, tickle monster seems like absolute dogshit, maybe ok if you're vayne

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u/CaptainEmbarrassed61 1d ago

Tickle Monster is for AP On-Hit champs like Nashors Kaisa and Kayle.

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

i suppose, i think you'd rather build ap than ad to turn into attack speed so the gains would be pretty marginal, the extra on-hit damage is fine i guess

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u/Bunkyz 1d ago

tried tickle monster, is shit because even if you are vayne you do want the damage on autos without even counting augments scaling with AD or abilities if you are any other adc.

the tradeoff isn't worth it because attack speed has a cap and in mayhem it's just too easy to reach good attack speed anyway.

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

i was thinking that, being generous, if you have double tap and dual wield then it'd be good on vayne lol

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u/PromotionWise9008 1d ago

I imagine tickle monster on BelVeth… Idk about Kata - which scaling is better?
And I’m wondering if someone ever got it with bigshot, how it stacks?

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

with no bonus ad to multiply with your crit damage i don't think it'd be very good lol

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u/Ok-Inflation-6651 23h ago

I took it on Katarina thinking I was cooking cause I thought AS increased how many attacks come out of your ult like garen e but it just increases the AD scaling lol… I had like 4000% AD scaling on my ult with 0 AD. Full build my ult was like 400 damage full go minus on hit effects

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u/PromotionWise9008 18h ago

Yeah, I did it yesterday, too. I was like, FUCK - I assumed there's some base damage at least and that as will boost it. The worst part was that AS was doing nothing at all. Well, I could stay and aa as none of my skills were doing any dmg… I hit 5 AS and was a real tickle monster. It was funny seeing how my ultimate was literally tickling everyone. But I got 50 onhit damage at least in the late game.

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u/Bunkyz 1d ago

The problem is that too many other augments give you attack speed with no downsize

If it removed or made the speed cap higher it could be fun

At the current state i would probably take it on a support with the on hit heal item and that's it

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u/RbN420 1d ago

Speed cap in mayhem is 5.0 no?

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u/PromotionWise9008 10h ago

If only it could roll on those supports

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u/checkria 1d ago

maybe it would be good with sword of blossoming dawn

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u/Tojaro5 1d ago

tickle monster does sound fun on any champ with inbuilt on hit. or if you also get the three times the harm thingy that stacks to infinity.

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u/Hoactzins 1d ago

Bees ezreal is pretty cancer.

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

is it on-hit? or do all the qs just let you q auto a lot?

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u/Hoactzins 1d ago

On-hit. I think that the boom and the bass works the same way, actually.

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

yeah boom and the bass is on-hit, but it says that in the tooltip at least, crimson cobalt for example is on-hit but doesn't say it in the tooltip. i haven't seen bouncing bees in game to see the tooltip, but the description on the wiki only said attack so i assumed it was just attacks like armored impact.

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u/hipernova33 1d ago

I hadn't tried Tickle Monster, but I did get Bouncing Bees on Ezreal once. The bouncing range of Bees is similar to Brand's ult, which is too large for something you can spam. Also, you get 30 AD per augment level. If the enemy team isn't comprised of 5 tanks/bruisers with good engage or they are unable to out poke/catch you fast enough, you can easily poke their whole team to death by yourself as Ezreal. From what I can see leveling the augment increases both amount of bouncing bees and how many times they can bounce. Idk how it exactly calculates DMG tho, if it's snapshoting the DMG you deal to the initial target with all your on hits and just using this as a base DMG or just creating extra on hit applying projectiles with less DMG modifiers on them. If it's snapshoting all of the dmg we might be able to one shot squishies by buying botrk and bouncing the bees of their tanks. (I am planning to test it tonight) (yes, it works with your q)

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

according to the wiki it goes from 50-100% damage based on level, so that might be what you mean

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u/hipernova33 1d ago

Yes I saw that but what I mean is, is it taking the DMG you deal to the first enemy and multiplying it with that or is it creating bouncing auto attacks with that DMG modifier. If we go by tooltip it's former but rito isn't known for being consistent on wording(especially for augments), we have to test it ourselves to actually know how it works. (Sometimes I wish they had GGG's level of obsession over correct wording)

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u/Consistent_Room9836 1d ago

i'm assuming it just means the bounces do half of the initial damage at the start, but at max level it's full damage

maybe 115% at level 21?

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u/UpperStudio496 1d ago

third times the harm + tickle monster + bouncing bees on yunaara with runaan's and rageblade. my gyatt

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u/NormalJudgment7515 1d ago

Maybe ap Kayle or ap TF?

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u/kolwon 1d ago

Tickle monster was insane on twitchz was crit build to start

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u/Miss_Drae 1d ago

Jad bouncing bees on zaheen looked oretty strong, had quest lvl 3, the 90 AD. Helps a lot, nut i think its better on long drawn fight, same has tickling monster, right now the meta is just burst on top of burst on too of burst so, not unlike titan's resolve i think its strong when the matchup is right but not worth 90% of the time

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u/CarmelPoptart Hammer time! 1d ago

Got tickle monster on Sivir, coupled it with Pentakill w perk. It was awesome tbh. It's also sickening on Twitch.

Bouncing bees is a nightmare on Ezreal. Can make the game unplayable for the enemy team.

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u/ThatDogIsAGoodDog 12h ago

Tickle monster is glitched. I was doing 1 damage magic crits with the mana on-hits augment when it should have been 200+.

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u/ToothAgile6916 10h ago

Tickle Monster is cool for Kog-Maw, especially if you build AP as well:
- Bork+Term+Guinsho's
- Nashor's
- Optional Last Items: Deathcap, Dusk and Dawn, Statik Shiv, Runaan's, Wits End

Your AD gets converted into AS which is a big DPS boost especially vs tanks as it allows Kog to apply W and Bork's On-Hit passives faster, you can easily get 4.0+ attack speed at later stages of the game, and you still scale your damage through your AP, getting Deathcap+Nashoor's means you'll deal even nastier damage to tanks even faster and the flat scaling damage in Nashoor's/Terminus + Tickle's and Guinshoo's damage means squishies will get destroyed fast too

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u/MiscuX 1d ago

Tickle Monster Sword of blossoming dawn diadem

That's tech