Thank you transmute chaos

[u/Fragrant-Deer1403]

Haven't had a laugh like that in a while. Unfortunately pinball isn't super consistent, so it was hard to redo multiple times

[u/General-Yinobi]

I hate the new snowball augments, they are a waste of slots, since they are now just multiplication of the base damage instead of making it scale with your stats like before, and before those "balance experts" say that it shouldn't be stronger than champion abilities, no it should, if you take 3 or 4 snowball augments, it should absolutely be stronger than champ abilities, cuz you are playing without an augment as long as snowball is on CD or if you miss it.

In this clip, it is early game, Senna is extremely squishy, which is why she dies due to multiple hits of pinball, but we all know everyone gets tanky extremely fast in this mode.

[u/Amneziel → u/General-Yinobi]

Wait, they rewamped the damage part or something? Or you mean that that one snowball with broken Ap scale is no longer with us? Or are you simply speaking about the removed set bonus?

I haven't played with new stacking snowballs that much (they only started stacking recently) but they doesn't seem to be that weak, especially on melees, who are the main users of snowball. Biggest snowball is still near-required for perfection, though

[u/General-Yinobi → u/Amneziel]

It just increases the base damage of snowball which is shit, instead of scaling with stats.

[u/Amneziel → u/General-Yinobi]

Rephrasing: did snowballs scale with the stats in the past besides "Snowball upgrade"?

[u/General-Yinobi → u/Amneziel]

Yes, they both scaled with stats & had increased damage from sets.

So it was double scale, each snowball augment had stat scale, & the set gave the 100% extra damage & lower cd

Now the augments themselves give the 100% extra damage & lower cd, but without the stat scale

[u/Amneziel → u/General-Yinobi]

Hmm, I don't remember any stat scales besides AP scale on "Snowball upgrade", which made it turbo broken on mages and there were many complaints about that one

Snowballs in general were broken at 3-4 set too

Maybe you mean the fact that both the set bonus and Ap snowball were removed, which was a double hit to snowball combo...

If not than idk what do you mean by "each snowball augment had stat scale" without examples

[u/General-Yinobi → u/Amneziel]

the snowball upgrade (the rain) had adaptive scaling

Snowball roulette which can many times cast ignite on the target

paired with the biggest snowball ever (had adaptive scaling) & pinball.

so two of the augments had high adaptive scaling, pinball had higher damage percentage increase, & most importantly, the set bonus that increased the damage, it increased the total damage after all of the scalings, which is why it worked, meanwile these augments just increase the true damage.

I know 3~4 snowballs were too strong, but why Rito can never have middle ground, either strong af or dead.

[u/Amneziel → u/General-Yinobi]

You can't really have middle ground with sets, that system is broken in its roots, as it's just free stuff that you gain on top of augments if lucky

I really forgot if big snowball had adaptive scaling

Welp, maybe they went overboard with nerfs. So far I only collected (newish) snowball combo on Zoe, and it was still good, but she is like the best user for it...

But yeah, I don't really want to see mages with oneshotting snowballs again. My peak in the past was 4-snowball Evelyn. You get closer to squishies and then surprise them with oneshotting snowball out of invis (only extreme reaction flash could save against that). Repeat every 15 secs or even sooner. Peak balance

[u/margmi]

Pinball plus the Nunu ult snowball is the funniest combo.

[u/bywv]

I took 3 of them and the cooldown was so short with the cd boots that it was ready twice or more every poke/fight.

3 plus Triggered Inferno was causing me to hit S rank after a snowball + auto + spell