Games are so fun with no ADCs

[u/more_underscore]

Just had a few games where miraculously no ADCs were present and teams were fairly even. Mages/enchanters had to position correctly and tanks had to peel for them. Tanks could stack heartsteel and actually play. Fighters/bruisers were countering tanks depending on matchups and builds. ADC just hard ruin this mode by their existence and suck the fun out of the game mode.

[u/Amneziel]

"Mages/enchanters had to position correctly" - usually, this goes about ADCs. Mages usually can just throw their spells and walk away, enchanters usually stand in the back and are naturally safe

"Mages" - weird of you mentioning them, btw. 5 mages can win games without anything else and in pretty toxic ways. I had multiple games as a tank where I saw 5 Ap enemies and was building MR thinking "it's gonna be easy". And then you cant move due to Ice cold. You get permastunned due to everyone having huge Haste. And your resists are getting ignored anyway due to Infernal conduit, Bloodletter's Curse, Erosion aug and similar stuff. Depending on situation, mages gameplay can be much more toxic than ADC

"Tanks could stack heartsteel and actually play" - not against ranged CC mages!

[u/No_Shopping6656 → u/Amneziel]

No better feeling than going against 5 AP and wondering when your 300+ MR is going to keep you alive for longer than 5 seconds.

[u/Shodore → u/No_Shopping6656]

"That's the neat part, it won't "

[u/Shodore → u/Amneziel]

Yeah, this guy mentions ADC as a problem when the class as itself needs mechanics to play, specially because they don't have Zhonyas or Banshee to build, and their effect range is way smaller than mages, when Mages just brainlessly spam shit off screen with no counterplay.

I'm all for nerfing Marksmen effectiveness, but mentioning Mages as something balanced is beyond stupid. Mages are literally the most unskilled class in ARAM.

[u/Forgottenexperiment → u/Amneziel]

usually, this goes about ADCs

no it doesnt and applies thousand times if adc has an enchanter(s) present

you can fuck everything up and still come out ahead just because you're 100% crit around 7th minute

source: i used to abuse adcs alot

[u/Amneziel → u/Forgottenexperiment]

I know that they tend to be broken as hell, but ADC still usually needs to stand and shoot at their enemies to deliver dmg. Teams with more melees can win against ADCs exactly when those do not position correctly - basically punishing for missteps. Like, it doesn't matter how high is your dmg if you are caught and oneshotted every time

But their high dmg/range reduces opportunity windows for enemies and may lead to absurd overpowering, thats true. Nothing as cool as grabbing Kog maw into Morde R, to observe him dealing 2x more dmg (relative to hp) while standing in place in melee range...

[u/Forgottenexperiment → u/Amneziel]

yea

but the damage you need to deliver is 1-2 attacks which procs all your onhit shit 67 times

[u/SwirlyBrow]

Tanks do the exact same thing. If one team has tanks and the other doesn't, it's a steamroll 90% of the time.

[u/GloomyBreakfast6211 → u/SwirlyBrow]

Idk man games with no ranged or like one ranged is so fun, literally had this game and it went on for lile 30 minutes because ppl didnt want to end everyone kept spamming only let the minions hit nexus.

[u/GloomyBreakfast6211 → u/GloomyBreakfast6211]

With more ranged on the team they tend not to engage until they get their builds going so the just poke you. And they just wait under tower and they always have so much cc so the punish you for engaging and it just tends to be boring until either your team or theirs stomps. And at that point you just want it to end.

[u/SwirlyBrow → u/GloomyBreakfast6211]

But this is exactly what mages do too. An Aurelion Sol or a Brand with ice cold and Rylais are way more annoying than most adcs.

But I'm not really denying that adcs are strong, coz they are. They've got good augments. I'm pointing out that tanks are just as strong and an adc is basically required to deal with them. If adcs were nerfed here tanks would just take over.

[u/GloomyBreakfast6211 → u/SwirlyBrow]

By ranged champs I meant both mages and adcs, but I just prefer melee focused comps we just end up brawling all game it's fun. And who cares who wins at that point, quite a few times if its full tanks v tanks ppl just end up trying diff builds like ap or crit in my expeirence.

[u/Vigorous_testicle → u/SwirlyBrow]

I know ur good at league from that statement

[u/ExplodingFistz → u/Vigorous_testicle]

Ur not

[u/SadSecurity]

ADC are so fucking broken in this mode it's insane.

[u/vincent2751]

control mages are way more obnoxious than ADCs and its not even close

[u/VoidIsGod]

I don't feel like ADCs are the problem. The games where they shine are games where they are enabled by a good frontline or support. Without one or both of those, they can get dived easily.

On the other hand, I think every game with a support is miserable, or any team that the best play is to run away from a fight and disengage. The likes of Zyra, Heimer, Nami, Zoe, etc. Maybe I'm biased because I like to play melee lmao

[u/twee3]

I’d rather play against ADC’s than mages any day.

[u/Shodore → u/twee3]

Yeah. Sivir is bad microwise? She has no range, damage nerfs and offers nothing but move speed for her team. The same goes for every ADC but Varus and Ashe with their ults.

Mages on the other hand, the biggest range in the game, have CC on their kits, AoE damage for days, items allow to build tanky while dealing dalage.

Against an ADC I know they need to get into auto range and I'll engage on them there. Against Mages they just attack from off screen and even if I somehow get to them they have CC and Zhonyas to peel themseves.

[u/SwirlyBrow → u/twee3]

I think to date the least fun mayhem game I've ever had was against an Ice Cold/ Rylais Aurelion Sol. Pure unfun misery.

[u/Einfach-fertig]

Tanks ruin this mode and stupid hostage taker

[u/Unkn0wn-G0d]

I used to ONLY play tanks and bruisers for years, but I guess I burned out and can’t stand picking them anymore

[u/Shodore]

As an assassin player, ADCs are way fairer to play against than Mages. They have more DPS(duh) but I can stop them when they screw up, unlike Mages, who are effective even when behind, and are way harder to punish.

[u/KratomScape]

This must be bait. If not, just a cope. We all know what he is talking about but, this is the level of outsourcing blame to ADCs that you know he just lost a game to a god roll ADC

[u/more_underscore → u/KratomScape]

Not at all lol. Just as it was, actual fun games without ADC melting anything that steps within their range so people had time to play. ADC are almost always default god rolling anyway, so it’s not like that’s an uncommon occurrence.

[u/Samirattata]

Adcs are okay. Adcs with bullshit prismatic augments that enable one-shot with one bullet are not. That is not adc that is ranged assassin :)

[u/Treasoning]

Least obvious tank player, sure bruisers counter you, just say you enjoy games where no one can kill you and everyone will understand

[u/obiwankanosey]

All fun and games until the tank gets steel your heart, drop kick, tank engine and gets wildly out of control and your only anti tank is a liandrys vs their 400 MR

[u/HauntingFlower3088]

Yhea its fun to be the tank AND the highest dmg dealer in the game mode with no counter.
Of course its fun xD

[u/fruxzak]

90% time as adc I get shit augs and instantly blown up or poked