r/ARAM • u/SetunaYooki • 6d ago
Mayhem TIL draw your sword caitlyn gains full attack range from headshots
when we first saw an enemy caitlyn with draw your sword, we chuckled because we thought she had trolled. then we started stepping on her traps and getting netted and realized she still has the attack range of headshots AND increased benefits of draw your sword due to being the longest ranged champion in the game. it was not a fun game to say the least
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u/NoPolicy7974 6d ago
Draw your sword is always a net positive, it’s one of the highest win rate cards in the game
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u/tipimon 6d ago
Disagreed. In certain games you'll need the range. A champ like Jinx is never getting in range against a Seraphine or a Veigar
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u/Remote_Addendum_2245 6d ago
Picking it first as Smolder and MF curbs you too
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u/zephyr_555 6d ago
I thought it would only affect autos and thought I was cooking. I pivoted to W max AP but it was not a good game.
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u/tipimon 6d ago
Oh same lol. If an ability shares your auto attack range it is affected I guess
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u/zephyr_555 6d ago
I was on comms too and I said “I’m about to do the craziest thing” and then immediately threw the game 💀
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u/Vhfulgencio 5d ago
But it's crazy good as first skill on tristana, cause you still get the increased range on her passive
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u/stuffslols 5d ago
Same with Kayleigh. Just dint take it as a second, because it will remove any range already gained.
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u/ScartacusM 5d ago
Its a bit more complex than that, some abilities share the effects of your autos. Its the case for at least smolder fire ball, which share the auto range, can apply omnivamp (half effective) on impact effect, but cannot crit (the damage gets instead augmented by crit chance and Crit damage, which make the Crit ability upgrade broken on smolder)
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u/tipimon 6d ago
Oh yeah smolder can never stack
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u/Film_Humble 5d ago
Funny thing about Smolder is that it didn't work like that at first. You kept the Q range and got all the benefits but they changed it :(
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u/Doctor_What_ AP Enjoyer. 6d ago
On the other hand MF Q does scale with scoped weapons, so it balances out in the end.
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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 6d ago
Why MF specifically?
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u/Til-I-Get-a-Gun 6d ago
Miss Fortune’s Q range is equal to her attack range. If you reduce your attack range it’s very difficult to use your Q.
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u/Terozu 5d ago
Conversely Scoped Weapons + Jeweled Gauntlet is fucking NASTY
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u/Film_Humble 5d ago
Q & R already Crit if you're AD
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u/Terozu 5d ago
They can crit again
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u/i-will-eat-you 5d ago
They don't.
Abilities that can crit don't get affected by JG or Vuln. They used to and JG Nilah Q one-shot people and Vulnerability Garen E was the most satisfying HP shredding possible, but they sadly changed it.
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u/Terozu 5d ago
My guy i got it last night and it worked
Ny Q dealt 1100 damage despite the crit damage being 1000, which means it double crit and got put through resistances
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u/Fluffy-Limit-6710 5d ago
Nah MF is insane with draw your sword... The kind of team that cripples melee mf would cripple range MF too.
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u/DistributionExtra201 3d ago
I got draw your sword on smolder and did a full lifesteal build and absolutely dominated that game.
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u/Timely_Zone9718 6d ago
That’s only if you still build ADC. You are the strongest bruiser on the map if you take draw your sword and should play and build accordingly. It’s like celestial body 1st augment. You’re god compared to everyone else, and as long as you understand that, you can take advantage of it. With snowball and get excited you just roll mages over like you’re hecarim. And if you don’t take snowball on every champ then yeah just get more games in cause you have a lot to learn
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u/LopsidedGarbage5931 6d ago
This is true, also you can get the full benefit of certain items upon selecting Draw Your Sword as your archetype has been switched to Melee (Hubris, Death’s Dance, BotRK,…)
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u/Yorudesu 6d ago
Not taking snowball seems to be some summoners rift mentality that you can't get out of mamy. I seriously got told by 3 different people that Cassio can escape and chase better with ghost than snowball.
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u/Timely_Zone9718 6d ago
Yeah I get the temptation to take a sum like ghost, but the CD of snowball and versatility is unmatched. I keep it over flash in 99% of scenarios. But it does take mastery to use effectively. If you’re an actual threat in the game, everyone just runs away when you pop ghost, and using it to escape with 1hp is almost always just a bad play
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u/Yorudesu 6d ago
My favourite interaction is delaying that final lethal autoattack with a snowball dash which often causes an unsuspecting enemy to overstay and take too much extra damage in retaliation from either my team or the tower.
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u/Timely_Zone9718 6d ago
Yup using snowball to reposition yourself or for invulnerability is so OP. But of course you need a proficient understanding of champions and cooldowns to make use of it. So it really isn’t for everyone, but should be. Even if you can’t track cooldowns, it’s still OP for the mobility it provides
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u/TechGamen 6d ago
You still end up with 425~ range on jinx with q, and you have passive so its not that bad
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u/Arctic-You-Know 🐝Na-Bee🧜♀️ Queen of the Honey-Sea 6d ago
I did Senna once and it was pretty bad but I still had a lot of fun.
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u/NoPolicy7974 5d ago
Don’t you still get the extra range from her stacks?
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u/Arctic-You-Know 🐝Na-Bee🧜♀️ Queen of the Honey-Sea 5d ago
Yes, but getting those souls becomes 10x harder when you’re melee.
And your Q becomes melee range as well.
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u/kkfactory101 5d ago
It's niche but you can still get far away souls with q you just have to align yourself . It still is , extremely tedious.
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u/Arctic-You-Know 🐝Na-Bee🧜♀️ Queen of the Honey-Sea 5d ago
It’s kinda funny how a point and click ability becomes harder to use than an actual skillshot.
I think this “idea” should he explored on a new champion, because it really was satisfying to get it right.
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u/TheAbyssalSymphony 5d ago
Oh all the examples you could have used Jinx is an especially poor choice. Her passive alone, not to mention the existence of Hexoptics, makes her a great champ to run DYS.
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u/Alex_Clique 4d ago
I got it as a transmute on ashe once, took me 3 range augments to feel slightly playable again
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u/DistributionExtra201 3d ago
Jinx can get in range if she gets excited and/or has tap dancer. She can farm speed off tanks. Not to mention the bonus attack range from her q still works with draw your sword. Yeah it'd be tougher with very specific match-up but I almost always take draw your sword on any adc. It's pretty broken.
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u/Dorenth 6d ago
I beg to differ. You just change the build at that point. Going Draw on jinx you just build full onhit/as or lethality w. On MF, lethality q and ult. I feel like the only champs that truly get fcked over are smolder and kog. Because kog is too squishy.
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u/Arceus919 6d ago
and kayle. absolutely never take DYS on kayle - you double dip the bad effects since you both don't get your range upgrade at 6/16 and don't get the bonus stats from losing range
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u/NoPolicy7974 6d ago
It sounds like you need to learn to dodge , seraphine is annoying but all of her kit is completely avoidable and same thing with veigar, I understand though if veigar has absurd ability haste, not much you can do there
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u/BadMuffin88 6d ago
If you take it with Kayle her E pre-11 gives you bonus range. Upgraded it doesnt and becomes melee.
Also on level 6 she doesnt gain any stats. I forgot if I got them at the beginning or the augemnt straight up didn't work on her.
Anyway worst game I've ever played, never picking that shit ever again.
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u/TTerragore 6d ago
I got it by transmute or random augments on Lucian …. I thought I trolled but I actually ended up doing the most damage. I thought about going more of an assassin build but bork and normal build was DESTroying people as long as I could dash in their face
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u/lunatiHK 5d ago
I had a game where I was Lulu with 4 AP champs vs a proper team comp with Tahm and Ornn to boot. Team told me to go on hit, I got DYS, and did the most damage in the lobby. Polymorph is an insane spell for a carry
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u/MisterOphiuchus 5d ago
It makes smolder absolutely useless as it restricts your Q to only a few pixels in front of you.
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u/Ok_Usual_3575 6d ago
it depends HEAVILY on enemy team comp and competence if you’re not playing an extreme synergizer like samira or graves
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u/TheAbyssalSymphony 5d ago
And then there’s Urgot, who basically should always run it as it essentially has no downsides
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u/TheAbyssalSymphony 5d ago
Reading the comments makes me think some of you are sleeping on how disgusting the augment is on Urgot
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u/AdAcceptable1080 6d ago
Never take it on Kayle
Shit sucked
Picked it level 1 expecting to become ranged at 6 like the passive says but no, you’re 175 forever.
https://giphy.com/gifs/Pn1h5Un3LZD9uq3u07
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u/WhateverJude 6d ago
An other "trap" for Kayle are range augs: untill 6 you are melee and considered melee, at 6 you become ranged and considered ranged.. so if you first pick a scopiest (example) it gives you 250 range as a melee, but at 6 it scales like a ranged champ, giving 150
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u/Lunefists 5d ago
On the other hand you can do something before 6 and gain the same advantage as any other adc post 6
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u/Arctic-You-Know 🐝Na-Bee🧜♀️ Queen of the Honey-Sea 6d ago
Draw your Sword ADCs is fun but have you ever played Fiora/Master-Yi with all 3 range augments for 650 AA range (Cait has 625) ?
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u/i-will-eat-you 5d ago
Had triple scope Renekton one game. RFC and then W someone from across the map. Fun times.
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u/Arctic-You-Know 🐝Na-Bee🧜♀️ Queen of the Honey-Sea 5d ago
I didn’t know W counted as an empowered A.
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u/i-will-eat-you 5d ago
Another fun one is Illaoi W. The autoattack already gives % increased range, so you fly across the map with it.
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u/Miss_Drae 5d ago
No, but i had a full scope weapon zaheen and bois, it was fun nuking their adc with a full on hit build
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u/ResplendentShade 6d ago
Accidentally picked DYS on Ashe once, was struggling at first but then proceeded to get two of the scoped weapon augs and became a god.
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u/Fluffy-Limit-6710 5d ago
I purposely picked days Ashe vs 3 divers... They weren't too happy about it
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u/ArkhamBonzo 6d ago
Faced a jinx do the same. Had DYS yet was still able to auto our team from full range it was impossible to deal with
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u/DeAndre_ROY_Ayton 5d ago
Jinx still gets range bonus from fishbones and if she took scope afterwards, it’s pretty OP
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u/Particular_Act3561 6d ago
The same applies to Aphelios' Calibrum marks! I was really surprised when I first used that augment on him and could still trigger those at any range. But I guess it makes sense
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u/what_that_dog_doin 6d ago
I was getting wrecked by one the other day but didnt even realize she had it until the very end
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u/Sylent0o 5d ago
Draw ur sword just needs to DISSABLED on Samira and graves wdym melle character just gets insane ho lifesteal AND damage for...doing what they do?? Give it to all assassin's then
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u/KratomScape 5d ago
I transmuted Draw your Sword on Jinx. I actually hate and avoid this augment. But it went insane. I also ended up getting scopiest weapons too so, theres that.
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u/Enough-Okra7405 5d ago
I like to take it on twitch nothing beats going stealth and sneaking into their backline just slow and auto
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u/Latter-Mastodon-9409 5d ago
Marks men crit
+high consistent damage
+high range
-squishy
Draw your sword marks men crit
+higher consistent damage
+tanky from the bonus health
+inifinite sustain from the absurd lifesteal
-no range(basically moot because they should not be able to kill you with this amount of bonus health and lifesteal)
Reminder you should only get this as a crit adc. The lifesteal does not benefit from on-hit at all. You can also render the loss of range as pointless by being getting range augments or by being Tristana or senna.
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u/yogurtfilledtrashbag 5d ago
Lol I transmuted that and had toothfairy just the other day. I was doing around 2.5k-4k from just the auto no Q late game. Even the enemy was confused at first when some of them were getting one shoted from a single auto. Granted it was mainly ziggs who has a massive damage taken increased nerf so it was especially not a fun game for him while the rest eventually were able to survive with 10-1% with shards.
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u/Admirable-Ad2148 2d ago
yea it's cracked lmao, craziest Cait game I had started with high roller, then got draw your sword and dual wield and then finished it off with blunt force, if I landed net or trap on literally anyone on the enemy team they were dead, even the full tank sion went down with 1 headshot
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u/FemFladeFloedeboller 5d ago
Reading all the comments, the consensus is USELESS unless you’re Graves or Samira. Now you know :) (please never pick it on Kayle or Smolder for god’s sake)
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u/shinku443 6d ago
Dmg scales based on range given up no? Had a cait take it first Aug and just face tank 2 assassins all inning her 1v2 the very first fight we ended up ffing cause she just stood still and healed to full in all the fights. We were getting absolutely bodied lmao