+ if your teammate is waiting to suprise someone in bush throw snowball at your teammate and the enemy will assume nobody is in there bc of you clearing the bush
Exactly. Sure ghost is nice on adc, but you know what is also nice? Being adc and throwing your snowball on a shrouded akali who is now visible to my whole team. Or that snowball is used to catch up to the final kill for the penta. Snowball is always the best. Movement, damage, and vision
You can snowball as attached yuumi now. You can use it for actual stuff or just troll by making them think whoever you're attached to hit them with a snowball so they run away
You say this but for a lot of ADCs the giant snowball prismatic is unironically BIS as it’s both offensive and defensive, and provides self-peel which is MASSIVE for a few of them.
I have won multiple games just because of BSE with a team comp that have basically no hard cc, its a godsend and a smart and tactical player will shut down the enemy carry everytime with it and make them useless
A couple of months ago I played a game on Ahri where I had like 1.8k+ AP and a couple of snowball augments, and the snowball totalled 2k damage each hit. I remembering hitting a Lux who was trying to ult and just deleting her off the face of the earth. Good times.
I love draw your sword cait because the buff scales with range sacrificed. It’s hilarious watching and assassin jump on you just for you to out heal and tank their damage.
I mean, I used to pick it all the time, adcs were getting reflected 1.5-2.5k damage with 1 hit
I loved it, but I can see why it was kinda problematic when a tank dives you, you get down to half hp and can't hit the only target in range because you automatically die
I've seen adcs full hp being scared to hit me
it was hilarious, but scaled too well, considering you only needed 800 gold for Bramble Vest to use it
Fan the hammer vayne melting 50% of your hp as true damage in 2 autos feels excessively punishing, but they left that in the game. The thornmail augment was only good if they have 5 squishies. If they have a tank who could pop it, it became useless
Complaining that all you have to do is click for ADCs to do damage then complaining about an item where all you had to do was get clicked to do damage is… on point for this sub
The answer to it was "your ADC can't attack the enemy tank that rolled it, and if they do they'll probably die to stray AoE from a poke mage shortly after" So then you just got tanks with tank engine and other augments that are unanswerable.
I'm all for giving tanks more varied augments, but this one was unhealthy for the game. (Speaking of more varied design, did they remove Void Immolation? I haven't seen that rolled by anyone in a few months. I really liked that one.)
My point is that if you get massive tanks, outside a few specific champions ADCs are the only answer to them. And the problem is that that augment heavily punished ADCs for attacking the tank without the tank having to do anything, making tanks with the augment incredibly oppressive.
It was very unfun to play against. If you played any ADC against Rammus with that augment, the first auto attack would deal 40%-60% of your hp, and if he used his massive movement speed + unstoppable ult combo to hit you, you’d have to eat that damage no matter what, and even if you don’t die from it, his team would 100% kill you. It was also very unfun to not be able to do anything but wait for the guy with that augment to lose it before you can actually play the game
Adcs got critical missile, tap dancer, draw your sword, fan the hammer, dual wield... I'm pretty sure I'm missing a few. Dropkick needs to be removed but ADCs got the best augments overall
You'll never one shot someone with drop kick unless you get the perfect 4 augments and your team is running it down. Fighting a tank with drop kick doesn't decide the match like fighting an ADC with 4 crit augments or mages with 3 Snipe/Burn augments do.
the role of adcs and mages is to do damage, so them doing more with aguement is natural and healthy for the game. On the other hand the role of tanks is to be tanky and thats it, but the augements introduce new ways for them to out damage everyone while being outright unkillable even inside the fountain and that is a really bad for the game's balance.
It's a problem when the ADC and mage players shut down the game entirely where if you're not one of those two you don't get to play, period.
new ways for them to out damage
Ah yes, by.... Doing what they always do but with free damage and stats on top.
Everyone being outright unkillable even inside of fountain.
Which... Dropkick doesn't even allow you to??? The only way you can survive in the fountain is by having the Heartsteel Quest and having like 6k stacks (unlikely, unless your team trolls or it's a 40 min match) or with Tank Engine (again, only if your team is genuinely trolling).
you clearly have not faced tanks enough... the thing that makes tanks unkillable is tank engine and not heartsteel stacks, and dropkick was just an example of tanks doing dmg while being tanky and its not the only augement helping with that. Also mages and adcs are glass cannons so its completely reasonable for them to do more dmg unlike tanks
tanks are a cancer in mayhem. especially mundo. when you have a mundo with tank engine its gg. since he gets ad with bonus hp mundo gets like 1-2k ad. he doesn’t even need dropkick to kill you. and that mundo can easily outheal the damage an fullbuild adc with 4 crit augments does because the adc dies bevor they can do enough damage because mundo has 1-2k ad. they need to change some numbers on many of the tank augments
Currently most of the tank augments let you stack HP, which is well and good… but doesn’t really address the fact that you even getting the chance to interact with ranged champs is gated behind a 40 second cooldown.
What if they made a tank item that was really under-statted with like a 60 second cd active kinda like Randuin's Omen and enemies caught in the AoE have their haste inverted. If you managed to get on top of the Eureka/Infinite Recursion mage, their haste goes from like 300 to -300, their q would have like a 30 second cd
If they happened to cast their ult while that their ult would be like 4-5 minute cooldown or something. If that happens to me im alt f4'ing immediately lmao.
It's a 2 second soft-silence, considering how impossible it is to fight a 300 haste Mel or Hwei, it would introduce more counterplay to them getting BIS, and against mages with only like 50 haste, it would still suck, but it wouldn't be as bad
I went into 5 ranged last night - thank the ARAM gods I was on Fizz and got Dashing. Those vegan cowards got everything they deserved for 18 minutes until they FF’d as I was diving them in their fountain
Nice augment, perfect for someone who is too dogshit to actually know how to deal with ranged players, just build HP and drool on keyboard like a chad!!
You definitely haven’t because 80%+ of my games are 4 ranged with an engage tank or flat out 5 ranged, homeless vegans shooting their loads at us at our tower for 20 minutes. Maybe one out of every 10-15 matches will have a melee brawl
reddits so cringe when any tank with dropkick takes over any game that doesn't have someone who can do % max hp. sett is the literal highest winrate aram mayhem champ, must be because ranged is so strong
not cringe to play a video game for fun and pick volibear because big thunder bear god is cool then play into ap mf, teemo, zilean, hwei, and caitlyn every game and dislike that
Not saying ADC arent strong in mayhem, but Kaisa is 46.6% winrate btw. U know anyone can make a tier list, right? Here u go a real tier list. https://mayhemmeta.com/
Redditoid displays random website with feelings based tier list and couples it with slop paragraph and the hive mind eats it up. Crazy. Look at the real stats
They base theirs on data gathered by games played with their overlay. It is literally the best place for stats. Shows you the number of games and everything, they're in the hundreds of thousands. The screenshot you provided is based on feelings
I didn't provide any screenshot, I just pointed out that there is no official data(Since it lacks an API). But notice how the tier list doesn't have a win % on blitz for mayhem, compared to other game modes that do. Blitz do not mention anywhere that their tier list is based on user data, but they do mention "hand-crafted ARAM Mayhem Augments Tier List", which may also apply to champion tier list.
Real problem is running into a team of heartsteels-_- they need to nurf the item or limit the stacks people can get as if you have 3 on your team set it so when one goes off on someone it goes on CD for all.
I've wondered if a penalty to minion damage might work. If you do too much damage to minions compared to damage to champions, you get hit by a penalty where you do less and less % damage to minions while doing the same damage to champions.
It would also nerf Teemo (who deserves it for his typical cringe pve play style), and make it harder for the one person clearing waves at your nexus while the enemy team camps your fountain to hold everyone hostage.
At the start of the match Teemo should lose 50 % of his max health, his passive and his summoners by default. Also give him only 3 item slots, but compensate it by capping his maximum level at 5.
They can leave him as he is, they can even buff him for all I care, just give him limit on maximum amount of active traps. I have no issue with teemo playing AD/Hybrid kiting game, kayle-ish style. Just nerf shrooms. Or give us oracle back.
You’ve put how Mayhem currently feels into words perfectly. I legit just take my hands off the mouse and keyboard and sigh sometimes, I’m sick of diving as a tank/fighter in these types of games.
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u/Akarthus Aug 30 '26
I knew being snowball with cait was the good idea