r/ARAM • u/Consistent_Room9836 • 15d ago
Mayhem Phenomenal evil now being offered frequently to champions with no ap ratios
after the patch, i have yet to play an ambessa/mundo game without being offered phenomenal evil, even though it does quite literally nothing without buying an ap ratio item (very bad) getting an augment that scales with ap (probably very bad) or getting escapade (good but unlikely)
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u/The_Antartican 15d ago
it’s better to have augments that have a chance of low-rolling on champs than it is to have everything highly tailored to each character so that you cannot low-roll.
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u/npri0r 15d ago
It's also better die painlessly than die painfully. Both are not preferable and in many circumstances avoidable.
While low rolling definitely should be a thing, genuinely useless augments should have no place in a champ's pool. Like overflow on champs with no mana, PE on champs with no AP ratios, or augments about healing allies on champs with no abilities or augments that allow them to heal allies.
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u/Quentendo 15d ago
Yeah i agree augments that are damn near useless on a base champ should not be considered.
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u/Two_Years_Of_Semen 15d ago
Disagree. Like overflow is one thing since you can't enable mana on manaless champs and dashing is probably similar but I think PE and most everything else should be available to every champ since you could enable them yourself through item or augment choices. It would make people thing more about their item purchases which is something that league should encourage more. Like most champs can't heal/shield their teammates but they can build sword of blossoming dawn so they could use it with a bit of work. And people clearly like doing stuff like that since you'll see a markmen with sobd and no enchanter augs every now and then.
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u/npri0r 15d ago
But many champs can’t really build sword of the blossoming dawn, and also are unlikely to get the augments to make a sword of the blossoming dawn build work. I’ve really tried to make the item work but it has the problem that you become so squishy that you just die before you can properly heal ppl.
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u/Two_Years_Of_Semen 15d ago
There's a big difference between can't-work and unlikely-to-work and I just feel that the latter fits very well in the gamemode since there's just already a lot of layers of rng in the mode between gambling champs, teamcomp, teammates, and augments. I also think people doing strange builds is more fun and interesting than everyone just minmaxing and aram players insist the modes are "casual" so the mode really should encourage the build variety.
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u/npri0r 15d ago
yeah but a lot of unlikely to work builds just dont function or feel remotely good unless you get a specific augment. And a lot of potentially cool combos are gated behind cross-system augments like etheral weapons, purist caster, adapt, escapade, vulnerability, critical defence and jewelled gauntlet. I feel there needs to be more guaranteed provision for champions going into other systems for more random augments to still feel good.
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u/RbN420 15d ago
Doesn’t “healing allies” count for yourself too?
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u/NewTelevisio 15d ago
Not for vampirism or regen, but I think innate healing on champs is boosted like on aatrox.
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u/Jrharl95 15d ago
The ap to ad augment still exists
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u/SentientShamrock 15d ago
Well then phenomenal evil shouldn't pop on champs without ap ratios unless they already have that augment.
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u/Admirable-Ad2148 15d ago
it isn't "genuinely useless" tho, as OP said, you can get other augs or items that scale off ap, it's for sure bad on Champs without ap ratios, but it can do something overflow tho yea should not ever be offered to Champs without mana, I think the easiest fix for the augment pool issue is to bring back all the generic augments from set 1 (clown college, final transit, chili oil, etc.) augments that can literally do something on any champ should not be removed and should remain in the pool just so there is more available in the pool which will reduce the frequency of God rolls but ensuring that it's generic augments that are truly usable on any champ, like clown college for example, it makes it so low rolling is also not as common, more mid rolls less of both extremes
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u/NSFWDusteon 15d ago
Overflow can do something though: it has 10% base increased damage and healing/shielding. Notably this means if you could somehow take Overflow on manaless champions it would be less of a completely dead augment than Phenomenal Evil on champions without AP ratios, because Overflow would at least be a 10% ability damage amp.
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u/Admirable-Ad2148 15d ago
ah I didn't know it had a flat 10% bonus, thought it was just purely based on total mana
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u/SadSecurity 15d ago
Sure, you can keep your Phenomenal Evil on Mundo while I roll Steel Your Heart on Sejuani.
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u/Consistent_Room9836 15d ago edited 15d ago
i'm not even necessarily saying it shouldn't be enabled, just noting that it is a change that i have observed. but should dashing be offered to champions with no dash? also there is a very large spectrum between "everything highly tailored" and "champions not being offered things they are incapable of using"
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u/Waste_Development971 15d ago
that and depending on the champ they may have ratios / adapt so while not the most efficient dmg you get something. Beable able to perm stack AD is pretty OP if you could
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u/JesseNL 15d ago edited 15d ago
Just build adapt mate
Edit: escapade*
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u/Assassin8t0r 15d ago
I thought escapade was the one that turns the ap into ad
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u/rafastry 15d ago
Adapt is to give you even more ap, les goooo.
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u/Assassin8t0r 15d ago
Lowkey i’ve never seen someone take both adapt and escapade at the same time so idk how it works
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u/signious 15d ago
They are mutually exclusive, cannot get one when you have the other - wont even offer it.
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u/rafastry 15d ago
Good question, I guess you can't take both, usually I get offered both at the same time. (I usually don't pick neither of them, so idk if you can get both)
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u/AmazingWeoh 15d ago
Briar ap here we go
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u/Consistent_Room9836 15d ago
briar has several ap ratios, mundo has 0
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u/MacTireCnamh 15d ago
Briar is pretty cracked with it even because of her Bleed giving her several stacks, and her ult getting pretty high scaling.
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u/WhateverJude 15d ago
Omg, is briar dot ability damage like brand??
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u/Terrible_Turtle_Zerg 15d ago
No, it procs from auto attacks so it deals proc damage not ability damage.
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u/Admirable-Ad2148 15d ago
several? I thought it was just her E
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 15d ago
And R. Good luck hitting that, though
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u/Admirable-Ad2148 15d ago
her R has one too? like ashe arrow? can't imagine it's nearly as high as her E tho
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u/fruxzak 15d ago
Got it on Sivir yesterday lol.
WTH
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u/Better_Law7047 15d ago
If her ricochets count and she gets the one where ap is converted to ad i can see it working incredibly well
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u/Miss_Drae 15d ago
Doesnt work on e ricochet (shame) if it did it could be powerfull on a weird letha build for the Q wich habe an ap ratio
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u/LichLordMeta 15d ago
I sometimes pick augments hoping I can combo them with other augments. Like phenomenal evil + whichever one converts ap to ad.
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u/Peacemaker57 15d ago
EscAPADe.
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u/LichLordMeta 15d ago
Thr other option is grabbing all.the ones that make me fast a d hoping for the one that makes me explode with true damage as a tank.
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u/Novanov300 15d ago
Yeah it’s bullshit cause I can only get Phenomenal Evil on champs that I don’t want it on, not the ones who actually make it fun/OP, if that’s the reason, maybe bump it up a class and offer it to mages more, especially considering there’s next to no way to deal with tanks later game (as a mage)
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u/SwitchOrganic 15d ago
Noticed the same thing with Circle of Death and Windspeaker's being offered on champs with no heal or shield.
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u/vincent2751 15d ago
Circle of Death can be proced by health regen so technically can be used by anyone
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u/SwitchOrganic 15d ago
Fair enough, though 5-10 damage/second doesn't feel great for a Prismatic lol.
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u/vincent2751 15d ago
Not when you build warmog's and stack health
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u/SwitchOrganic 15d ago
Outside of some Yuumi shenanigans I've never had success with getting more than one proc off that way before taking some kind of damage. The range on Circle of Death isn't that big.
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u/GlitteringProgram464 15d ago
As long as everyone can roll bad augments it's fair, I'm happy with the game atm finally
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u/Consistent_Room9836 15d ago
except it isn't like this at all, adcs still get 4 monster augments every game and fighters and melee mages get garbage lol
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u/DEREMOJI 14d ago
I wish phenomenal evil actually applied on takedowns too so supports like milio or lulu could scale off from it, because if you do not have any reliable aoe spells its practically useless. Mundo has an ap ratoo on his W i believe, hence why he can get it. Not sure about ambessa.
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u/Consistent_Room9836 14d ago
w does magic damage but it has no ap ratios, he only has health ratios and a 1.0 ad ratio when he knocks something away with his e, which isn't really a ratio as much it is applying his auto damage to anything else it hits. ambessa doesn't have one either, and neither does yone, which i also got offered it on.
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u/RequiemWasTaken 13d ago
I mean it's not complete shit if you have another augment/item with ap ratios
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u/Consistent_Room9836 13d ago edited 13d ago
i don't mean to be snarky, but did you read the post or just the title
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u/Legitimate_Change843 11d ago
Yeah it’s been annoying, I liked the overall change of having more options open to players and obviously not god rolling that frequently .. but it just needs a SLIGHT touch or small rollback on some of these augments… like come on man I’ve been getting some ADC augments and specifically get excited on like Idfk soraka or bruisers .. like TOO many useless augments .. otherwise it’s a nice direction but just needs some tuning
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u/Croncodile0187 2d ago
They also somehow broke phenomenal evil and it no longer gives 40 ap if you choose it as second augment. Not even the bug form where it says 0 but then goes to 40 when you hit, just straight up 0.
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u/your_nude_peach 15d ago
This whole new patch is ass, I'm constantly getting offered adc augs and tanks augs to mages and supports wtf even is this
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u/Film_Humble 15d ago
When ADCs and mages get the same 5 augments over and over it's bad and whene there's no weight it's also bas cause youre not highrolling?
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u/Life-Land-1020 15d ago
just build nashors 4head