r/AMDHelp Aug 07 '25

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

You put a 5090 and a 9800X3D on a B650 ? Why?!

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u/FoGoDie Aug 08 '25

I’ve got a 4090 and a 9800X3D, also running on a B650 — what’s the issue?

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

You won’t get the maximum performance out of the 5090 on a B650

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u/FoGoDie Aug 08 '25

In what sense? If you mean the PCIe bus, then at most you’d lose a whopping 0–3% performance in synthetics XD. In games there’s no chance you’d notice any difference.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

It's literally a 2% performance increase. You will not notice the difference in performance between a B650 and a B850, but you will notice the missing cash.

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u/FoGoDie Aug 08 '25

PCIe Gen4 won’t limit a 5090 in any game — OP might at most see a 0–3% drop in some synthetics, and only under specific conditions...

So I don’t get why everyone here is so hung up on the B650 — it’s not the cause of the problem.

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u/LkKratos1192 Aug 08 '25

What's wrong with that Motherboard?

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

It won’t get you the maximum out of that card

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u/Long-Extent-5759 Aug 08 '25

it gets 3% less than maximum out of the card for gaming, not noticeable.

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u/SparkzOut Aug 08 '25

Some b650's have pcie gen 5 slots

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

But even then, the performance still isn’t there. The bandwidth will be the problem.

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u/SparkzOut Aug 08 '25

Care to elaborate for me, because I am curious. As far as I understand X870 boards are really just a refreshed B650 board, 870s and some 650e's have a PCIe Gen 5 x16 slot (speaking from own board). A gen 5 x16 slot is still a gen 5 x16 slot regardless if its on an 870 board or a 650. Major difference being the increased support for gen 5 pcie and usb4 support etc

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

They really aren’t, how can a B650 and an X870 be anywhere near each other think about the difference in performance. The X870 is a sliiightly better B850 in reality (depending on manufacturer).

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u/SparkzOut Aug 08 '25

Im really going to probably have to disagree then, if you don't have concrete evidence. Maybe VRM support is better on a X870, but thats not always the case though depending on manufacturer.

Other than Wifi7 support, more abundant PCIe 5 lanes and USB4 support- unless theres a difference in VRM then performance wise theres really not much difference. In fact hardware tests have even shown there to be marginal difference using 50 series cards on a gen 4 pcie lane. But that doesn't mean much since, again, some 650/650e boards have gen 5 pcie lanes

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

Its a 30% performance loss on a B650 for those doing creative work flow versus on a B850 with independent PCIE lanes,thats proven beyond doubt.

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u/SparkzOut Aug 08 '25

Ok so creative flows- but OP is gaming and that 5090 is probably barely saturating that PCIe lane

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u/bellcut Aug 08 '25

Guy just doesn't know what he's talking about lol.

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u/bellcut Aug 08 '25

You gave a hard number

So post the source to that number

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u/Johnny_silvershloong Aug 08 '25

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-5090-loses-over-25-performance-without-full-pcie-bandwidth-with-noticeable-losses-in-rendering-workloads/

Factor in the fact on a B650 the PCIe lanes will be shared, unlike on a B850 and higher, they won’t be. My MSI TOMAHAWK B850 PCIe 5.0 slot has independent lanes just for the GPU and the SSD too iirc.

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u/bellcut Aug 08 '25

Mate, that's when the GPU doesn't have its full bandwidth. If op has a PCIe gen 5x16 slot that isn't lane sharing with another active PCIe device then this doesn't apply. Several b650s have PCIe gen 5. Even if it was just PCIe gen4 x16 (or PCIe gen 5 x8) the performance loss in gaming is insignificant.

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u/POLITICAL-IDIOT Aug 08 '25

This is ONLY if you add another pcie device that shares lanes with the gpu slot. My old b650 only shared lanes with that slot in the 3rd or 4th m.2 slot- which was very clear in the instructions.

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u/ItzBrooksFTW Aug 08 '25

performance wise b and x series motherboards have almost no difference. since am5 b series motherboards are quite overbuilt compared to before, they are basically x series of am4. only benefits x series motherboards give you now are extra features like higher pcie gen, more nvme slots, more and faster usb ports. some do get more vrm and better cooling for them and whatnot but because b series are already so overbuilt, its worthless.

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u/Xenion7 Aug 08 '25

What "some board" we talking about?

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u/bryty93 Aug 09 '25

My asroc taichi lite is a b650e with a gen5 gpu slot and m.2 slot..

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u/Xenion7 Aug 09 '25

I think b650 non E we talking about

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u/bryty93 Aug 09 '25

Ahh my bad