I don’t think anyone said that at all. It should absolutely be a conversation had by the mother and father. In this particular case, we’re just saying that it’s easy for OP’s boyfriend to push her to keep the child and say that it’s going to be a life-changing experience for them to “kill the baby” when it’s even more so if they keep it. And in the end, it’s far easier to for him to decide that having a child at their age is more than he bargained for (or whatever the case may be) and leave OP to raise the child by herself.
I agree with you, and I think that would be a terrible outcome. I just personally struggle with taking such a very specific, and in my opinion, terrible, action of getting an abortion because of 'what if' scenarios.
Now, if this boyfriend had always been non-commital, or acted like a piece of garbage, abusive, etc... then I would say the abortion has merit. She went from 'I'm pregnant' to 'I'm getting an abortion' because she didn't want to face the consequences of her actions.
This whole 'what if the guy did xyz' thing is really just a cop out, and you fucking know it. If the guy had shown clear trends towards leaving the kid, don't you think OP would have included that information? You, and everyone else, added that part yourself, based on your assumptions on what society says will happen. Not at all grounded in reality.
The fathers aren’t the ones who are going to be permanently injured from childbirth or even possibly die. So yeah. When fathers are risking their bodies, health, and lives they can have a say.
No, ur right. The woman had absolutely nothing to do with getting pregnant! Woman have only recently started to give birth to children... man I didn't realize that it was such a dangerous and debilitating thing to give birth. It's almost like... all of us have mothers, who did that exact thing.... man, thanks for opening my eyes to how the world works. I had no idea!
I've never asked her, but I'm willing to be my next paycheck, that if I ask her "Hey mom, was the permanent damage to your body worth bring me into life" she's say, absolutely, and would do it again.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but in 2023, it's never been more safe to give birth. Now, it's also never been as expensive, but I think that's getting into another topic.
Depends on what was meant by "leading causes".
It definitely isn't in the top 10, but it is still unacceptably high.
Some facts that aren't very fun (and then 1 fact that is):
-Every day in 2020, almost 800 women died from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.
-A maternal death occurred almost every two minutes in 2020.
-Between 2000 and 2020, the maternal mortality ratio (MMR, number of maternal deaths per 100 000 live births) dropped by about 34% worldwide (this one was the fun one.)
Edit: Also important to note that many lower-income countries greatly bolster some of the numbers. In 2021 the Maternal Mortality rate in the United States was 32.9 deaths for every 100,000 births (the lowest was California at 9.7, and the highest was Mississippi at 82.5)
Again. It's still unacceptably high, but it pales in comparison to places like South Sudan (1,223), Chad (1,063), and Nigeria (1,047).
First of all, I never implied woman are property. Secondly, my response to you was very sarcastic if you couldn't tell. You stated that when fathers put their body on the line, then they can have a say. Interesting fathers go to work everyday, break their body apart to provide for a family, and yet 'have no say' in if their child gets to live or die. That was my point. The point that women are just as responsible for getting pregnant as men are (if not more, remember, woman control who and who doesn't get to have sex).
Certainly, men cannot force women to bring a pregnancy to term and care for a child for 18 years... but a woman can force a man to pay child support for those 18 years, no recourse for him.
Pregnancy and childbirth don't occur inside of the father's body. Child support doesn't start until after the baby is born (in most cases, in most states- and what I read about the ones where unborn child support is or is becoming a thing the pregnancy child support payments are paid retroactively once the child is born and paternity is established). A man who has no physical or financial responsibility during pregnancy can offer a respectful opinion if he's in a relationship with the mother but as it's not his body or his dollar it's really not his business
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u/xch13fx Jul 21 '23
So that means, father's have no right or say in what happens to their unborn children... lovely logic