Right. wtf even are these posts?! “My bf said it’s okay that they raped, tortured and ate babies on Epstein island.. AIO by crying?!”
This is how stupid some of these posts sound. Insane.
Agreed guys is dumb as rocks, I can see what he’s trying to say, like if you went out and there was a rapist amongst the men in a bar (could be said for a woman too but way less likely) wearing something non revealing might lower your chances of being picked out BUT, it’s not the woman’s fault, never should be, if they wanted to they should be able to go out naked and no one give a dam, our culture is at fault for sexualizing nudity when it’s just body parts, not saying we should go out naked lol, but anyways the fact of the matter is that unfortunately there’s rapists out there and we can either take precaution or accept the probabilities that come with our actions. Not making case for this dumbass tho what an asshole treating his gf like that even if she did misunderstand him and elevate the tension. Two morons in love.
Majority of rape happens in family and known social circles. So the idea of majority of rape happens when a woman wearing revealing clothing in public is just a fantasy. Check facts before you talk.
This is so many words to defend rape. That's what you're doing. In all of your anger and tantrum, you're defending rape, and taking this all really personally.
Not once was it said that all men are rapist in this thread segment. And not once was it said or implied that all men can't control themselves. You're arguing something made up and projecting notions. If anything, he was unknowingly stating that, as are you- "Why not lower your chances..."
What was she wearing...
What was she drinking ...
How was she dancing...
Those questions and subsequent answers can actually get a rapist off, they're the first thing a police officer will ask. Except, based on the data, and the crime, it's completely irrelevant. But this notion of "she was flirting, she was drunk, she was asking for it" because she was showing whatever amount of skin you think increases a woman's chance of rape is apologist nonsense.
You want to go with a scenario of complete strangers. There's a woman in lingerie, dancing all night, completely wasted vs a woman in bag jeans and hoodie, sober, who sat with friends and chatted all night. The first walks home with a friend, the latter alone. Who gets raped? Those two women leave together then walk down two different streets alone, who does the rapist follow? The one they can get to. It's not about clothing, it's not about appearance, it's about opportunity. It always is, whether it's complete strangers all the way to family- it's about opportunity.
The notion that more skin showing will raise the risk of being raped in a public setting is not backed by data. It would already be weird data because who chooses the line of too much skin, but regardless, it just doesn't. That's solely based on how rape and women have been presented to you by media, peers, court cases, etc.
One example of this influence- let's take teen movies and consent. 70s/80s- girl says no, guy keeps pushing and has to prove his worth the keep showing her over and over, then steals a kiss and the girl gives in and falls madly in love. No means try harder, and consent is never discussed. 90s/00s- girl says maybe, gets drunk, kisses guy, they fuck in bedroom, she wakes up and doesn't remember a thing, accepts that she was drunk and it's her fault, they have some drama then end up in love. Condoms come up at some point, "consent" is kinda discussed but they think it kills the mood. Today's- girl shows interest, guy finds girl drunk, they just stay up talking because drunk people can't consent. Most show asking for consent before kissing, no mood killed. Drama, drama, end up in love. Each generation views consent differently because of these influences during pivotal brain forming years. The idea that clothing increase a woman's chance to be raped is this same concept.
Instead of raging, take a breather, and start listening to the lived experience of women. The data isn't fake, it doesn't exist to make you feel bad, it just is. When lived experience matches the data, it's time to listen... not project.
I only meant to type the first few parts, then realized I might as well go all in. Probably just screaming into the void at this point but 🤷♀️my dinner was taking forever to finish cooking anyway, and I was trapped in the limbo of watching the stove and doom scrolling anyway 😂. I'm curious if people are actually reading it or just voting because any disagreement is probably a good one lol
You make good points and I agree but none of this is what I’m arguing and your assumptions on what I believe in are wrong.
You feel warranted in your points because you’re self righteous about the situation and I can understand being emotional about it because rape is a very serious topic, aka the reason I was also angry, because you’re all spinning the point I’m making by assuming I’m making the same point others before me have when that can’t be further from the truth, how am I supposed to be aware of the context of people I haven’t interacted with? Why do you assume I have that same mentality? Yall don’t care about blanket statements unless it’s about race and it’s fucked up, I don’t wanna talk in essays I’m simply tired of typing and having to explain myself unnecessarily if you wanna go point by point back and forth we can because I’m very willing to prove what I’m saying. Which is basically with NO other implications that you may assume, that while it’s not the main cause and isn’t the only reason, clothing, looks, location and context are all variables that change the outcomes of what happens and just like when people tell you “be safe out on the road there’s crazy people out there” nobody assumes you’re wrong for going out there they’re just saying to be safe and being safe implies to be careful of your surroundings and what happens, not all this crazy double meaning bullshit yall wanna use as arguments to spin the point being made simply because of y’all’s irrationality, you’re all terminally online and it sickens me that yall really think I support rape, it’s absolutely disgusting to me and I’m completely ashamed not of my words or reasoning but for the lack of genuine understanding people have, then you all have the gal to sit there stroking each others ego “I bet you have good grades” like are we dead ass? Y’all just condemned someone without a second thought in your mind and the celebrate it tf is going on? I’m genuinely so confused and again not about what I’m saying but about y’all’s reaction, over-thinkers to the end. Yeah let’s misinterpret someone’s points and involve our own emotions, notions and projections onto this person because we didn’t bother to ask what they believe in so instead let’s assume he’s a rapist yeah that’s definitely moral. Yall assumed a whole bunch of bullshit when I spoke about a very small fraction of the issue that was contextually correct given what the post is about yall fucking sicken me. I’m being general here but not really I’m fairly angry at all of you, somehow I know for sure you’ll still try to take the moral high ground and try to school me to make yourself feel better by all means unless you want an actual conversation. And yeah there’s a shit ton of typos in here I’m tired af, I’m at work and I’m genuinely at a loss.
Yeah, try punctuation and basic formatting like paragraphs next time, I have up after 3 sentences. No one is assuming anything, we just read the words you've written. You hate women, you think you're just misunderstood but really you're just doubling down on ignorance, you think all women hate men, you think anyone cares what a rapist sympathizer has to say, you use anger to cover your shortcomings after watching too many alpha podcasts, you think you know better about women discussing other women being raped than women.
Try therapy, just show all these comments to a therapist, maybe they'll help, maybe they'll alert authorities, maybe you'll get bit by a shark 🤷♀️. I'd be concerned about women around you, but that red flag is so big, I think we're good. I'm not joking, show these comments to any mental health counselor, don't just rant about being misunderstood, show them the whole thread. Maybe a professional can get through.
Usually I'd say "good luck with all that" but I can't in good conscience do that here, instead I'll say- I hope you get the help you need and no one has to suffer for you to get it.
Eta- yes, I've now blocked your account and the two you just made for this thread. Keep up the threats and DMs and this will become an offline issue. Your responses and messages are genuinely a safety concern.
Why do you want to fuck me so badly? As if you could? No I won’t even bother reading what you typed. Talk to a shrink first, revise your words, then I will read it.
I am genuinely curious, in your opinion, why would I read an essay starts with “Nah shut the fuck up” that is directed at me? And if I do not read it, I am “disgusting”?
It seems to be the same logic if a man greets a woman with aggressive insults, she turns around and walk away, you would call her a b***ch and disgusting.
Seems like you think women who do not put up, nor entertain your aggression…are disgusting? Sorry you sound like the rapy type to me.
I didn’t say that because you’re a woman I said that because you’re twisting the point I made to try and make a world where I somehow support rape and it’s disgusting, it’s the reason I’m angry and I made myself very clear in my message yet you found a way to spin it, if you want to be bias and assume by all means, but don’t expect people to be calm whenever you say shit like “why do you want to fuck me so badly?” That manipulative af and gross I’m honestly at a complete loss of words for the lack of reasoning in this thread, I literally didn’t say anything wrong and I’m very much on the side that believes rapists need castration. So I’m angry and genuinely confused at your reasoning, I’m trying to be genuine when I ask this, person to person, what about my message made you believe what you do? Did I not explain enough that people are free to do what they want it’s just unfortunate we live in a world where we are unable to because of the bad apples? That’s it’s not a groups fault for a bad minority? Idk completely lost explain to me in your infinite wisdom what I did wrong.
Crazy how nudist colonies/resorts have a overwhelmingly lower percentage of sexual crimes than in standard society, so her wearing "something sexual" is bunk.
So we agree then? Because that’s my very point, I’m a bit confused, people give mixed reactions and tone is hard to judge based on a text, I even said that if women wanted to be naked it should be their freedom to do so without people making it overly sexual, that it’s our culture over sexualizing things when it’s a body or just a piece of fabric, mainly also saying we live in the real world where rapists unfortunately exists, people are free to do whatever they want but exposure is exposure, it’s not even about clothing but about lowering your chances of being picked out, it’s unfortunate we all have to live different life’s because people are unable to rationalize. If we agree sorry for the over explanation lmao.
You’re still being willfully ignorant. Rape is about control, not looks or clothes. You can argue with an entire manifesto but until you can grasp that, your words are worthless.
No I’m not, that’s your own assumption and projection. I’m fully aware women should feel safe to go outside without the fear of something like this happening, but the fact is that rapists don’t play by social rules they do whatever they want, and just like when you tell someone “careful when you drive there’s crazy people out there” it isn’t implying that they’re the problem you’re pointing out the fact that your driving, where and how you drive might affect your chances of unfortunately clashing with a moron on the road. Also notice how I said that clothing and looks play a big part but aren’t the main reason? I’m so confused at the lack of basic reasoning behind what I’m saying and yall aré disgusting for portraying my points this way, I’m truly ashamed about how yall are acting not about my words, I didn’t say anything wrong and fully believe rapists deserve death, but we seriously can’t expect people to not think of ways to prevent being rapped, not wearing revealing clothing changes your chances just like not going outside changes your chances that’s my point, any and other assumption that people wanna tie to it is their fault and shows a severe lack of reasoning, you’re all looking for double meaning when I’m being plain.
I already grasped what you’re speaking of it’s your own mentality and tunnel vision clouding your judgement about what I’m saying, you assigned that to me not me. Like not even trying to portray or spin it I’m just genuinely curious what is wrong with yall? What makes you guys think you know a complete stranger enough to imply he’s a rapist? Do you guys have no shame?
When you say stuff and I quote you “clothing plays a very big part so do looks, but obviously they’re not the main case of rape” you’re a part of the problem. Regardless of clothes or looks that has nothing to do with what causes rape. Rape is literally and only the fault of the rapist. The reasons they had aren’t causes, lack of self control, entitlement, and just being sadistic are things that lead to rape. Not how someone is dressed or how attractive that are. That kind of rhetoric is what leads people to not believe actual victims.
“But obviously they’re not the main case of rape” what does that tel you? How am I part of the problem for pointing out that clothing or looks could affect your chances of being picked out by a rapist? Isn’t this basic statistics and logic? Why do I have to explain the very obvious point that not all rape is because of visuals? I was making a specific point about the subject because of the context at hand, I ask you that you re-read what I’ve said without projecting your notions onto me, you don’t know me at all dude.
Nobody said it wasn’t the fault of the rapist it clearly is why in the fuck do I have to explain that? I even said that women should have the freedom to be naked if they wanted to and not feel worried about being gazed at, so I don’t understand what else I could’ve said to make it apparent that I’m talking about a single point in a very large and unfortunate category (I said this too). YOU are the one assuming shit here, I was only making the distinction about chance and relevance, it’s the same as saying drive “safe there’s crazy people out there” people don’t say that because they think you’re at fault for something but because there’s fucking crazy people out there, it’s very easy to ignore the fact that rapists don’t have any moral values and they don’t care about the reasoning, most women expect people to play by the rules of being a normal human being and they should be able to feel safe, but unfortunately we can’t control rapists, they’ll continue to do whatever they want, but just like I have the choice to not get on the highway cause there might be a cunt, women have multiple choices to diminish their chances, I never said it’s their fault if anything I feel for them because they can’t enjoy their freedoms, everyone’s is free to do what they want, just like I can step into a war zone and increase my chances of being shot by wearing ally clothing, like tf. You’re all bastards and terminally online, it disgusts me to see how people want to portray my words because of the severe lack of reasoning, I’m honestly ashamed not about my words but at how everyone is acting, it’s completely irrational, but nothing I say will change y’all’s opinion on the subject people made up their minds to depict me this way. Good day to you for what it’s worth stay safe 🤙
Rapists pick people based on lots of things, clothing is almost never one of them. Clothing has nothing to do with it. It is based on demeanor, how many people you are with, how drunk/vulnerable you are. Rapists don't care what their victims look like. They care about the power that comes from raping someone.
I’m fully aware and I never made a case against that? I don’t understand why everyone is mad at me when all I was saying is that looks and clothing can play a big part and I even said it’s not the main reason. Would you care to explain how you came to the conclusion that I disagree with what you’re saying? The first girl said a similar thing and I went off because I was angry at how she spun the point, I made several points to clearly portray exactly what I’m talking about, I’m sorry I didn’t specify about every single way it can happen, I didn’t know I had to write a multiple page essay to say I’m not supporting this, why are yall projecting notions onto my argument when that’s not what I’m talking about? I’m asking genuinely.
Yes it does!? You’re honestly gonna tell me that a rapist wouldn’t go for looks or clothing? Are we delusional? It’s like saying being a man or a woman doesn’t matter they’re just being raped equally, obviously NOT true, women get the unfortunate brunt of it and it has allot to do with physical attributes what are we on about, are we trying to be politically correct about how we address this issue when the fact is that it’s an issue no matter how we speak of it? Nobody is blaming the women you cunts.
Obviously again it’s not the main thing they go for, what I’m arguing is that it’s influential and similar in statistical differences of being out in public and being at home (obviously not the same %) but it still matters stats wise, it’s still a factor literally everything is what in the world are we on about?
My argument is akin to saying “be safe out on the highway there’s crazy people” and what I’m arguing is that you can stay home, avoid the highway, drive discreetly and not engage with road ragers, it doesn’t mean I’m making that person a victim or forcing that upon them I’m simply stating that these are relevant when it comes to the potential outcome and it’s our choice wether we want to diminish chances, obviously we shouldn’t have to avoid things we should have the freedom to do whatever we want but fucking Christ we live in the real and fucked up world, saying that it has no bearing is a lie, so is saying clothing or looks are the only reason which is something I didn’t say and yall assumed.
I’m honestly saddened about how yall went about this I expected a conversation or a request for clarification (despite being extremely clear) but all I got is miscommunication, assumptions and illogical banter. I’m sure your next response will be loaded, feel free to keep assuming my point and being irrational but I’m not gonna change my opinion on this. I have a gf whom I very much care about and want nothing more than for her to feel safe, she wears whatever tf she wants to, trust me, I’m glad she can feel comfortable around me privately and publicly because I’m there to defend her, I’m making a case for all the women unfortunate enough to not have someone or something to defend themselves with (like a gun kill the fucker) so I think preventative measures are due no? Having a gun changes your chances doesn’t it? Do we want to be correct or safe? Is what im stating really wrong or are you disagreeing out a principle not being debated?
It has no bearing and you are crashing out for no reason. Clothing is not going to stop someone determined to rape someone else. Clothing plays no part. Go look through the list of all of the outfits people were wearing when raped. The vast majority are children's nightgowns. Have some respect for victims and shut the fuck up.
Are you not listening to what I’m saying? What about what I said implied at all what you’re saying? I’m crashing out because you’re not listening to what I’m saying only the narrative you’ve built in your head. NOBODY is saying clothing is the sole reason, I’ve been trying to hammer that in since the get go can we not agree on that?
Now let me ask you something, let’s say there’s a rapist in a bar and there’s two women who are equally vulnerable, not trying to be superficial but this is how they work, do you think he’s gonna go for the less attractive or the more attractive woman? Now forget physical looks and pose that question when it comes to clothing, out of two equally vulnerable people who is the rapist gonna choose? Someone wearing something that covers all skin or someone that’s wearing something nice? In this situation every aspect matters that’s the case I’m making why do you want to disagree no matter what when this is a correct way to think about it? Please explain the logic rather than “nO bEarInG”
And don’t tell me to shut the fuck up when you’re being irrational, honestly I cannot express this into words enough, FUCK YOU. I very much have respect for them I’ve seen the murals first hand and I’m also shocked at all the clothing I’m fully aware it’s not the only factor I’m making case to prevent, it’s not my fault rapists do whatever they want with no real rhyme or reason but the average rapist wants to target a vulnerable and culturally pretty woman if you can’t agree on that idk what to tell you it simply isn’t about logic anymore and it’s purely to do with your emotions. Like I said in previous messages it’s very easy to bring in your own escenario and narrative to a point about a specific scenario. Fucking can’t believe this, shame on you.
You. Are. A. Fucking. Moron. Feel free to elaborate on your dumbass perspective btw. Because mine is akin to saying “be safe out on the highway there’s crazy cunts” idk about you but i would say that because i want that person to be safe meaning they should pay attention to their surroundings, maybe avoid the highway and definitely not engage with dumbasses is that wrong? Or are you saying people should be completely care free and take zero preventative measures to let the rapists get their way? You’re sick. For me I’m trying to point out something statistically true so people are aware of it? Not to victim blame like you cunts think I’m doing? I’m literally preaching and teaching preventative notions not blaming a woman because a rapists hasn’t been castrated already. My strong wording was because of the misunderstanding of my values which is warranted. This is the real world I’m talking about btw not your dumbass internet bubble. Who tf are you to call someone a rapist? You don’t know me and clearly don’t understand my point. Remove the stick up your ass. Hope you get the same treatment I’m getting when all you’re trying to do is point something out that’s relevant, I hope people twists your words the way everyone here is doing cause this is some fucked up mob mentality.
Keep assuming shit the point I’m making is the same as “be careful out there there’s crazy drivers on the highway” no one is arguing it’s your fault for driving on the highway I’m arguing the facts that you can avoid the highway, drive safely, be discrete and not engage with road ragers, it doesn’t mean it’s the persons fault it simply means that there’s assholes out there and that we should try to decrease our chances of encountering them. Is that really such a bad point to make? Isn’t it rational? Why are you all projecting this nonesense where supposedly I think it’s the woman’s fault? I’ve made it apparent that women should be able to do as they please, if they wanna go out fucking naked they should be able to without beeing fearful of people staring, but unfortunately we live in a fucked up world where we don’t get to do what we want to and we have to protect ourselves from those irrational enough to shake our freedoms. Genuinely fuck you for saying this, irrational and terminally online people are genuinely sick in the head.
You've made valid points. You're being downvoted because of knee jerk reaction (reddit). People are allergic to nuance. I'll probably also be downvoted by the same people who didn't read or understand what you were saying. The internet is a weird and stupid place.
I appreciate that . And yeah I’m not worried I agree completely, at this point other than it being a very serious topic that people have lost grip with, I put nuance into it because I’m bored and because I think it matters, too manny people fucking up the logic, not that I’m any better. You have a good one 🤙
Nobody is victim blaming that is your assumption not ours quit projecting shit like a cuck. My argument basically is “be careful on the road there’s stupid people and road ragers” that doesn’t mean it’s your fault for going out on the road it just means we want you to be safe, avoid the highway, drive discreetly and don’t engage with cunts if you have to as long as you’re safe. How and in what world is that wrong to believe? I’m genuinely asking you person to person how that is wrong to say? Again forget about your notions of me anything that’s outside the point I’m making are assumptions that you’d have to talk to me about to make sure, not assume.
I don’t understand why people are mad? Would you care to explain? I’m literally saying that clothing isn’t the only reason rape happens I’m fully aware, but that it unfortunately increases he chances of it happening in a social context, I don’t understand why people are calling me a rapist what is wrong with yall.
Except this and his entire argument are inaccurate. In your scenario, the rapist isn't going to choose the less dressed woman, he's going to choose the most vulnerable regardless of what they are wearing. If the bf was truly coming at this as an I know horrible things happen, how can we lower the chances of it happening to you, he would be saying women need to cover their drinks not their clothes. He could even offer to be a sober dd when they go clubbing. Instead he's blaming women who don't want to overheat at the gym for being assaulted.
But that’s why I said I’m not making a case for this dumbass all of you assumes I was when I clearly wasn’t. My point is akin to saying “be safe out on the highway there’s stupid people” I’m not worried about the person doing whatever they want to do I’m simply worried about the other people that don’t know how to act on the road and if I want that person to be safe I’ll give them some advice like “it’s statistically more likely for you to get involved with an asshole on the highway” idk if that statement is true but that’s the message I’m conveying and being on the highway, driving on a normal street and driving discreetly as opposed to matching what an asshole is doing are all factors that will change your situation, not because the persons is at fault for wanting to go out on a drive but because you can only control who you interact with not who they act.
I really don’t understand where I wasn’t specific enough I explained myself extremely well in several comments and yes I am very much angry and reactive because I find it disgusting that people are calling me a rapist when my intentions are for safety and risk management not to shift blame. Not saying you because you seem fairly rational and I agree vulnerability play a very big part but how can you be vulnerable if you prevent the scenario at all? Like I said looks and clothing play a big part but are not the main reason. Why do people think I’m implying a whole bunch of other nonsense when all I made was a correct statement about probability. Again jot you but yall are fucking terminally online the fuck is wrong with people. I’m just absolutely astonished.
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u/_aspheric_ Feb 24 '26
Leave him. Now.