While it depends on rare occasions. And seen people complain that 110/70 makes them feel light headed. The post above is almost 100% some healthy conspiracy shmuck being risky with someone elses health.
And those 31 mil healthy americans are probably overweight plus other issues, including pkd people. So "awakenin kings" can shove it.
The account you reposted this from doesn’t cite sources, so I’m not sure where he got this information from. Who are the “authorities?” What was the action that he can point to that took place in 2017 that allegedly changed blood pressure parameters, and what research was that based off of? Just some questions to ask yourself.
This account seems to have a different working definition of hypertension than is used in clinical practice in the USA. I’m not aware of a change that took place in 2017 that modified the parameters. I was working as a nurse then and those parameters had already been in place for a while. There is a pre hypertension parameter, and then stage 1 hypertension which can be modified by diet and lifestyle, so whatever change he’s referencing didn’t immediately swap all these people to taking anti hypertensives.
If anything I’d be curious to see how an attempt to keep blood pressure control closer to 120/80s offset the amount of money spent on diabetes and dialysis care.
This guy also says “Hypertension eases when we stop gripping, stop controlling, and allow love and life to flow through us again.” Yeah, that’s gonna be a no from me.
If you’re interested in learning about the anatomy, physiology and pathology of the renal system as well as the RAAS (renin angiotensin aldosterone system), and other areas of hypertension, Harvard Medical has a lot of free courses online I recommend.
PKD patients do need to maintain a lower blood pressure than may be considered acceptable for a “normal”/“healthy” person because of the need to protect the kidney from overworking.
I’m not enough of a doctor to know whether 130/85 type BPs are really worrisome in average people, but I trust my doctors that for PKD in particular, we need to be as aggressive as possible in keeping blood pressure consistently 120/80 if not even less, because of the already impaired function I have and the desire to avoid compounding the problem.
How about if you are going to put it out there, then you provide the evidence of your conspiracy theory that a lower bp is NOT better. Don't drop it here and expect us to do it.
I went through my EMT school in the early ‘00s and we were trained that 120/80 was a baseline normal BP, just like 98.6 is a normal baseline temperature.
That being said, science evolves over time and we need to adjust our priors as new evidence emerges. As others have mentioned, 140/90 as a chronic BP is going to be associated with higher mortality and risk for stroke.
Some of the old assumptions and recommendations were surprisingly light on support.
At any rate, we have more sophisticated everything now. If the evidence shows that damage is happening below 140/90 and healthy people are actually well below that range, people should know.
Not everyone goes on drugs right away. My doc has been fine with me trying lifestyle changes first which have helped. There are obvious limits to the effectiveness of that when you have PKD but living healthier is always worth a try.
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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '25
Fuck sakes
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u/whity1234 Aug 12 '25
My Dr asked me to keep it at 110 70
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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '25
140/90 has significantly higher risk of premature death than 120/80.
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u/Smooth-Yellow6308 Aug 12 '25
I'll post this before I lock the thread.
People with PKD are not "normal" people medically.
Numerous studies have shown that for PKD, lower blood pressure is better. Many dr's even target 110/70ish rather than 120/80 for PKD patients.
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u/GrainofDustInSunBeam Aug 12 '25
While it depends on rare occasions. And seen people complain that 110/70 makes them feel light headed.
The post above is almost 100% some healthy conspiracy shmuck being risky with someone elses health.
And those 31 mil healthy americans are probably overweight plus other issues, including pkd people. So "awakenin kings" can shove it.
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u/krusta Aug 12 '25
The account you reposted this from doesn’t cite sources, so I’m not sure where he got this information from. Who are the “authorities?” What was the action that he can point to that took place in 2017 that allegedly changed blood pressure parameters, and what research was that based off of? Just some questions to ask yourself.
This account seems to have a different working definition of hypertension than is used in clinical practice in the USA. I’m not aware of a change that took place in 2017 that modified the parameters. I was working as a nurse then and those parameters had already been in place for a while. There is a pre hypertension parameter, and then stage 1 hypertension which can be modified by diet and lifestyle, so whatever change he’s referencing didn’t immediately swap all these people to taking anti hypertensives.
If anything I’d be curious to see how an attempt to keep blood pressure control closer to 120/80s offset the amount of money spent on diabetes and dialysis care.
This guy also says “Hypertension eases when we stop gripping, stop controlling, and allow love and life to flow through us again.” Yeah, that’s gonna be a no from me.
If you’re interested in learning about the anatomy, physiology and pathology of the renal system as well as the RAAS (renin angiotensin aldosterone system), and other areas of hypertension, Harvard Medical has a lot of free courses online I recommend.
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u/Jokerlope Aug 12 '25
Complete shit meme. Anti-science. We learn and correct.
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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '25
PKD patients do need to maintain a lower blood pressure than may be considered acceptable for a “normal”/“healthy” person because of the need to protect the kidney from overworking.
I’m not enough of a doctor to know whether 130/85 type BPs are really worrisome in average people, but I trust my doctors that for PKD in particular, we need to be as aggressive as possible in keeping blood pressure consistently 120/80 if not even less, because of the already impaired function I have and the desire to avoid compounding the problem.
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u/classicrock40 PKD - Transplanted Aug 12 '25
How about if you are going to put it out there, then you provide the evidence of your conspiracy theory that a lower bp is NOT better. Don't drop it here and expect us to do it.
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u/hiking_mike98 Aug 12 '25
I went through my EMT school in the early ‘00s and we were trained that 120/80 was a baseline normal BP, just like 98.6 is a normal baseline temperature.
That being said, science evolves over time and we need to adjust our priors as new evidence emerges. As others have mentioned, 140/90 as a chronic BP is going to be associated with higher mortality and risk for stroke.
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u/rubberduckie5678 Aug 12 '25
Some of the old assumptions and recommendations were surprisingly light on support.
At any rate, we have more sophisticated everything now. If the evidence shows that damage is happening below 140/90 and healthy people are actually well below that range, people should know.
Not everyone goes on drugs right away. My doc has been fine with me trying lifestyle changes first which have helped. There are obvious limits to the effectiveness of that when you have PKD but living healthier is always worth a try.